The Official Dieworkwear Appreciation Thread

[true.to.size]

"Welp" is short for "Orwellian."

Recently read that "Orwellian" has roots in fashion!

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the term “Orwellian” started as a literary critic’s playful shorthand, when the writer Mary McCarthy used it in a 1950 essay to describe a fashion magazine that had no “point of view beyond its proclamation of itself.”

 

[dieworkwear]

Tea before milk? Positively Orwellian

A Nice Cup of Tea by George Orwell

 

[true.to.size]

I don't know anything about that. This seems like @TheFoo territory

 

[true.to.size]

But really, it's always good to read such things, imo... as a reminder that our habits, even if sincere, are perceived as affectations, which is fair.

 

[Psyko]

Anyone here have any suggestions for casual, patterned shirts with collars long enough to work under sports jackets?

Like these:

 

[StaticProgression]

I mentioned this in my intro recently, but wanted to drop it here.

Derek, thanks so much for all you've written through the years. I owe you a lot for shaping how I look at style, and appreciate clothes, heritage (or lack thereof), and the appreciation of construction, fabrics, etc. I have really loved seeing you evolve as a writer and see how your style has evolved throughout the years. I hope to continue reading many more years of your thought-provoking posts. I am also thankful for how you have influenced my style in a helpful nudge way, not necessarily just saying "buy this and you're cool now" like a lot of places do, which encourages mindless plug and play consumption over mindful, enthusiast selection. And also, somehow simultaneously caring way too much about this hobby we all love, and then being like "screw it do whatever" the next paragraph.

From a young guy starting off reading way back in the day, thank you for all your help.

 

[dieworkwear]

I mentioned this in my intro recently, but wanted to drop it here.

Derek, thanks so much for all you've written through the years. I owe you a lot for shaping how I look at style, and appreciate clothes, heritage (or lack thereof), and the appreciation of construction, fabrics, etc. I have really loved seeing you evolve as a writer and see how your style has evolved throughout the years. I hope to continue reading many more years of your thought-provoking posts. I am also thankful for how you have influenced my style in a helpful nudge way, not necessarily just saying "buy this and you're cool now" like a lot of places do, which encourages mindless plug and play consumption over mindful, enthusiast selection. And also, somehow simultaneously caring way too much about this hobby we all love, and then being like "screw it do whatever" the next paragraph.

From a young guy starting off reading way back in the day, thank you for all your help.

Wow, thanks SP! This has been a hard week and I genuinely appreciate your note. Thanks again!

 

[StaticProgression]

Wow, thanks SP! This has been a hard week and I genuinely appreciate your note. Thanks again!

Of course man! I do wish you all the best, and pray you have a great week ahead. This life is much more than clothes, as we all no doubt realized especially in this difficult year, so take care of yourself.

Also, I blame you for why I love workwear now, which really wasn't the goal in the first place - the Japanese brands in particular (Post, Stevenson) are threatening to kill my savings goals.

 

[hoodog]

I mentioned this in my intro recently, but wanted to drop it here.

Derek, thanks so much for all you've written through the years. I owe you a lot for shaping how I look at style, and appreciate clothes, heritage (or lack thereof), and the appreciation of construction, fabrics, etc. I have really loved seeing you evolve as a writer and see how your style has evolved throughout the years. I hope to continue reading many more years of your thought-provoking posts. I am also thankful for how you have influenced my style in a helpful nudge way, not necessarily just saying "buy this and you're cool now" like a lot of places do, which encourages mindless plug and play consumption over mindful, enthusiast selection. And also, somehow simultaneously caring way too much about this hobby we all love, and then being like "screw it do whatever" the next paragraph.

From a young guy starting off reading way back in the day, thank you for all your help.

Very nicely put and I couldn't agree more. Thanks again @dieworkwear!

 

[classicalthunde]

Ralph Lauren fandom aside, I'm interested in your take on this @dieworkwear from a historical perspective: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/joe-biden-ralph-lauren-inauguration-suit

I thought, typically, that presidents try and wear MiUSA stuff for official business functions. I seem to recall that Martin Greenfield or BB was often cited as the tailor to presidents and that AE Park Aves were the 'presidential' shoe. Obviously that seems to have been tossed aside with Trump and his penchant for Brioni suits (I'm willing to bet he owned a good number of them already before assuming office). I also seem to remember Tom Ford talking about how he would have loved to dress Obama or Buttigieg, but that he thought it would be inappropriate for a politican to wear a $5K suit

Are we likely talking RLPL (St Andrews) here? Does RL make any suits in the USA? With the downfall of BB and MiUSA tailoring, do you think these sort of traditions are going to go by the wayside?

Bonus Q - how does the presidential wardrobe work, do they get free suits that they charge to tax payers?

 

[hpreston]

Ralph Lauren fandom aside, I'm interested in your take on this @dieworkwear from a historical perspective: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/joe-biden-ralph-lauren-inauguration-suit

I thought, typically, that presidents try and wear MiUSA stuff for official business functions. I seem to recall that Martin Greenfield or BB was often cited as the tailor to presidents and that AE Park Aves were the 'presidential' shoe. Obviously that seems to have been tossed aside with Trump and his penchant for Brioni suits (I'm willing to bet he owned a good number of them already before assuming office). I also seem to remember Tom Ford talking about how he would have loved to dress Obama or Buttigieg, but that he thought it would be inappropriate for a politican to wear a $5K suit

Are we likely talking RLPL (St Andrews) here? Does RL make any suits in the USA? With the downfall of BB and MiUSA tailoring, do you think these sort of traditions are going to go by the wayside?

Bonus Q - how does the presidential wardrobe work, do they get free suits that they charge to tax payers?

Did you read the article? It clearly states he’s wearing a MiUS suit. Blue Label (Polo) is currently MiUS

As far as how “it works”
For most politicians (congress etc) they buy their own clothes.
But my guess is there’s some sort of consideration given to the Inaugural suit. Likely a gift from RL (in exchange for the publicity) similar to much of the clothes worn the Oscars.

 

[Waldo Jeffers]

Pretty sure GW Bush wore Hickey Freeman which I believe is still made in USA

 

[dieworkwear]

Ralph Lauren fandom aside, I'm interested in your take on this @dieworkwear from a historical perspective: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/17/joe-biden-ralph-lauren-inauguration-suit

I thought, typically, that presidents try and wear MiUSA stuff for official business functions. I seem to recall that Martin Greenfield or BB was often cited as the tailor to presidents and that AE Park Aves were the 'presidential' shoe. Obviously that seems to have been tossed aside with Trump and his penchant for Brioni suits (I'm willing to bet he owned a good number of them already before assuming office). I also seem to remember Tom Ford talking about how he would have loved to dress Obama or Buttigieg, but that he thought it would be inappropriate for a politican to wear a $5K suit

Are we likely talking RLPL (St Andrews) here? Does RL make any suits in the USA? With the downfall of BB and MiUSA tailoring, do you think these sort of traditions are going to go by the wayside?

Bonus Q - how does the presidential wardrobe work, do they get free suits that they charge to tax payers?

I think Brooks Brothers is most known for dressing US presidents, as they've dressed 39 of the last 45. But notably, not everyone wore a Brooks Brothers suit to their inauguration. I believe only a small number have -- less than ten, I think. Obama wore a bulletproof suit he had custom made, but then a Brooks Brothers topcoat over that. I don't know who made his bulletproof suit, but throughout his presidency, he often wore suits from Hart Schaffner Marx for sentimental reasons. The company is located in Chicago.

Some of Ralph Lauren's suits are made in Rochester, New York at the Hickey Freeman factory.

Hickey Freeman signs $1M Ralph Lauren deal

The deal could boost production and add up to 50 jobs in the next three years.

www.democratandchronicle.com

Ralph Lauren also made the 2016 US Olympics jackets at the Hickey Freeman. Our own JefferyD was part of that design team.

U.S. Olympic athletes will wear Hickey Freeman gear

Every one of the athletes competing next month in the Olympics in Rio de Janeiro will carry a little Rochester close to his or her heart.

www.democratandchronicle.com

 

[classicalthunde]

Did you read the article? It clearly states he’s wearing a MiUS suit. Blue Label (Polo) is currently MiUS

Whoops, must have missed that part...

 

[scurvyfreedman]

Did you read the article? It clearly states he’s wearing a MiUS suit. Blue Label (Polo) is currently MiUS

As far as how “it works”
For most politicians (congress etc) they buy their own clothes.
But my guess is there’s some sort of consideration given to the Inaugural suit. Likely a gift from RL (in exchange for the publicity) similar to much of the clothes worn the Oscars.

There are ethics rules about receiving gifts. Members of Congress, for example, cannot receive anything of value except promotional items of nominal value, awards (trophies and the like that have little to no value), greeting cards, and sometimes (the House and Senate rules change periodically and I never keep up exactly) t-shirts. A corporation can't give a suit to a politician as a gift. Because of these rules, you'll see members of Congress offices with shelves full of plastic trinkets and awards engraved with their names.