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My guys, we have to think critically...size down from what?
Alden at 8, achilles is 41, and nike in 9.5 is tts for dress shoes, sizing down 1 from the standard sneaker sizing. Most people size up on nikes by a half.
It's been like 10 years of these questions on this thread, and most of differences are just about not being clear about your starting point of dress shoes vs sneakers.