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I realize that it might not make much sense when I talk about "batch codes". So for LVMH, there is an easy way to tell when the fragrance is made, its "batch code" and the fragrance's "formula code". The formula code is supposed to indicate a change in the formula...however in my experience the fragrance can have the same formula code despite smelling different so it isn't a 100% sure indicator, but it is a useful tool. The reverse could be true as in some regions might have a different regulation on which UV filters are able to be used. I remember the Dior Homme in Japan had a different formula code because of a different UV filter, but it smelled the same.
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Information on batch code
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Example of this change in action. Here is an early bottle of Dior Homme produced in 2005.
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Dior HOMME, early bottle,
batch 5L01, formula 1704/A
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A rare alternate early version, listing Benzophenone
(an UV-rays blocker), formula 01792/A
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DIOR HOMME
differences between 2008 (01704/A) and 2013 (05434/A)
Batch codes and formula codes of the Celine bottles/samples made in 2019:
Saint-Germain-des-Prés
La Peau Nue
- 9M01 - December 2019
- 13941/A
Cologne Française
- 9M01 - December 2019
- 13942/A
Dans Paris
- 9L01 - November 2019
- 13943/A
Eau de Californie
- 9M01 - December 2019
- 13944/A
Black Tie
- 9L01 - November 2019
- 13945/A
Parade
- 9G01E - July 2019
- 13962/A
- 9M01 - December 2019
- 13962/A
Reptile
- 9M02 - December 2019
- 14067/A
Nightclubbing
- 9M01 - December 2019
- 14288/A
- 9G01E - July 2019
- 14289/A
- 9M01 - December 2019
- 14289/A
The batch code and formula code is on the bottle of the cardboard box. The batch code can also be found on the sticker on the bottom of the bottle, but not the formula code.
anyone knows when the sale will start on celine webstore?
You have a November 2019 batch with the same formula code as the others I have seen. I do think "cigarette" is more like a very artistic interpretation using ingredients used in perfumery. It doesn't capture the true fully dangerous aspects from a cigarette. I feel like it is as close as you can get, without getting cancer, and still fitting into the whole Haute Parfumerie idea. If it was just a very raw depiction of cigarette smoke it immediately loses a lot of elegance. I see it as a very elegant artistic interpretation of how cigarette smoke can be.Does this mean that my Nightclubbing is a different formulation? This could be the reason I'm not smelling the cigarette odor. Also thank you for posting this, I will definitely be more selective when purchasing replacements of my fragrances.
HS: Fifteen years later, with hundreds of collections around and almost systematically a focus on the next single material available, from countless oud woods to vetiver, I felt this direction had become a bit generic. There was a need to change tune and explore ethereal and sophisticated constructions, strictly emotional, multifaceted narrative perfumes. The Celine collection of Haute Parfumerie is constantly playing with trompe l’oeil. It is ineffable, sometimes esoteric. It reflects our complexity and our paradoxes.
You have a November 2019 batch with the same formula code as the others I have seen. I do think "cigarette" is more like a very artistic interpretation using ingredients used in perfumery. It doesn't capture the true fully dangerous aspects from a cigarette. I feel like it is as close as you can get, without getting cancer, and still fitting into the whole Haute Parfumerie idea. If it was just a very raw depiction of cigarette smoke it immediately loses a lot of elegance. I see it as a very elegant artistic interpretation of how cigarette smoke can be.
I was initially disappointed that it didn't smell "real" enough, but the more I smell it the more addictive it feels.
I noticed on the women's site a surfeit of bags. I wonder how LVMH handles cannablization of their LV cash cow? Maybe that's a stretch to think that Celine would have any impact on LV (1-2%?), but if one were to project out the brand, there does seem some overlap and if growth (finally) continues it could be a slight business question. I suppose this is my way of asking Thorns what's the difference between the LV bag girl and the Celine bag girl (spoiler: a lot).
I feel like LV is a starter foray into luxury whereas Celine is an acquired taste, two completely different markets. I never got the appeal of LV or why anybody thought of it as a status symbol. I get that Marc Jacobs had a cult following and that is a huge reason LV is what it is today but it always seemed tacky to me.
Middle class want to be rich and famous. Having LV all over a big hand bag for all to see makes them feel this way.
I wore Dior Homme today and quite liked it. For some reason, it seems to fall out of the rotation, however, it's a pleasant surprise, and somehow more tailored in feel than even Black Tie for me.
Eau Noire is an evening scent, developed to harmonize with the black tie world of Dior Homme. "L'Eau Noire was made to measure from the beginning," Hedi explained. "It allowed me to trade in what I'd personally been wearing since the age of 11.
HS: I presume it was a different time. When I created the cologne collection at Dior in 2004, working with short and simple compositions and raw materials felt completely new. It was also one of the first “collections” created for a luxury house.
Fifteen years later, with hundreds of collections around and almost systematically a focus on the next single material available, from countless oud woods to vetiver, I felt this direction had become a bit generic. There was a need to change tune and explore ethereal and sophisticated constructions, strictly emotional, multifaceted narrative perfumes. The Celine collection of Haute Parfumerie is constantly playing with trompe l’oeil. It is ineffable, sometimes esoteric. It reflects our complexity and our paradoxes.
It is quite a classical composition, so I do wonder if that helps play into the Black Tie idea. Hedi does add darker elements to Caron's structure, so I do think that gives it more of a serious feeling.Pour Un Homme de Caron is often regarded as one of the first fragrance marketed towards men. It was released in 1934 based on a simple yet effective lavender and vanilla accord over a woody and amber base. It was worn by French stars and politicians including Serge Gainsbourg, Jonny Hallyday, François Mitterrand and Nicolas Sarkozy. However, it was a known favourite of James Dean.
There's something quite sexy and alluring about vanilla. It is interesting that Hedi wants vanilla in his Black Tie DNA. It gives off an inviting feeling for me. In both Eau Noire and Black Tie, the vanilla is grounded by being paired with something darker feeling to impart the feeling of being serious while still approachable.Interestingly, it appeared most popular among women not solely as something that they would wear but a fragrance they’d find attractive on a man. The lavender notes received the most comments and those who picked up on the vanilla seemed to love it.
Thorns is Cologne Royale by Dior an Hedi-era fragrance? (I'm wearing it today.) I don't get the sense that it is, as it's a bit too citrusy and bright for his patois and it garners a lot of compliments akin to the mass-appeal of a Creed Aventus.