ViceofGucci
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seems like a mix of ss15 and fw16 which I like but I don't think this will sell like a fw13 collection
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Good call. That reminded me to take a peak at the fw13 collection. What a strong show and so many hits from the duffle, the teddy, the leather biker, the jeans. Really standout stuff.
If they were to replace him, who/what would you replace this aesthetic with?
Well, I still long for a Phoebe Philo aesthetic adapted for men. That's what I would want to see--basically, a continuation of her aesthetic with the addition of menswear.
I guess I don't particularly feel like the other labels come close to Philo, whether the Row or Loewe or whatever. But maybe I'm not looking hard enough!You could perhaps say that Daniel Lee is doing that at Bottega. He came from working with Phoebe, so he understood that aesthetic well.
I suppose my point with that statement is that for a house without easily identifiable codes (there is an archive from the original Celine but those aren't pieces that are synonymous with the house like tweed suits at Chanel or YSL and his safari collection for example), just about anything introduced to the public would be a gamble. And given that so many other brands are already trying to fill the void of Phoebe, it wouldn't make much sense for Celine to do that; especially at this stage. If it did, they would've just did that once she left and followed the same method that Saint Laurent did with Vaccarello.
Let's face it, it isn't exciting necessarily but there are a lot of very wearable/sale-able pieces in the show. I did immediately become a bit bored, knowing it was another 70's collection, however, it seems he is trying to really instill certain codes of the house and drive it home ad nauseam. Rather than going in a different direction each season, trying to build upon each previous collection. Boring to see, perhaps, but in terms of trying to create a unified vision I understand it. Lots of great pieces I would gladly add to my wardrobe.
I don't see LVMH throwing the towel in on him so quickly. Even just thinking in terms of the investment made on redoing all of the stores and launching the fragrance line. If they were to replace him, who/what would you replace this aesthetic with? Nothing would be in sync. I think it would be more detrimental trying to create yet another vision for the house, especially when what's been built in the last couple of years is quite singular.
Saint Laurent wasn't an immediate success, it did take a moment, and I suppose (as its been stated already) the issue is attracting a customer who was neither familiar with Celine nor Hedi (speaking more so on the men's side of things here) into the shops to drop this kind of money.
Saying that it looks like clothes you can already buy at other brands, or repurposed vintage is a bit redundant. He didn't reinvent the wheel at Saint Laurent either, however, eventually, it sold.
Bro its not too late... I am like 100 years old and I wear fw13 all the time. Whiskers will be great in 50 years.FW13 was really special. I look at it at least once a week. I wish I had the confidence I have now back when that collection came out. I remember seeing the pieces for sale thinking I could never pull this off then go buy a bunch of Balmain denim and T shirts. ****. I envy anyone who bought the whisker denim, Cowboy wyatts in ochre and nut at that time.
FW13 was really special. I look at it at least once a week. I wish I had the confidence I have now back when that collection came out. I remember seeing the pieces for sale thinking I could never pull this off then go buy a bunch of Balmain denim and T shirts. ****. I envy anyone who bought the whisker denim, Cowboy wyatts in ochre and nut at that time.
Bro its not too late... I am like 100 years old and I wear fw13 all the time. Whiskers will be great in 50 years.
Same here.
I wish I had the money at that time to buy those items.
Some of the FW13 collection have become grail pieces and no one wants to sell and if they do its almost always above retail of what they sold for.