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[youwhat]

cancelled from Paris riots, I think

LVMH’s Celine Cancels Menswear Show in Paris as Riots Continue

LVMH fashion label Celine canceled its menswear show scheduled for Sunday in Paris as riots and looting continue in France.

www.bloomberg.com

yeah, i know that but wondered if rescheduled or showing anything in other ways

 

[RedVelvetWounds]

Am I the only one who thinks it's a little strange how two people signed up for SF around the same time specifically to talk **** about each other in the Celine thread?

 

[Jack3tjunkie]

You got it backwards. That's the problem when you spew the amount of bullshit you do. You get lost in the act of being a little **** who's only shtick is to be adversarial and dismissive. Rather than focusing on the comments provided, you are set on creating edgelord posts fueled with some shitshow memes that bring ZERO insghts. You can't tell folks for not knowing ****, insinuating you know better but then have zero capability or intention to back it up.

Look, I can't help that you are immensely butthurt about my mild comment about the photos but here we are. Let's go through a couple of events for you :

"Please enlighten us about what Hedi is trying to capture with his clothes and style
This was your opener to discredit my post or opinion. Done. Still waiting for your counter argument on why it's wrong.

"You have unfounded confidence in your beliefs, yet absolutely nothing to back it up"
Got it backwards again, you have nothing to back it up it's (allegedly) faultiness.

//Proceeds to have a hard time differentiating about the pictures in the post vs Hedi's entire oeuvre so your shitposting now shifts to proving he's such a well respected artist (assuming this is not common knowledge lol) and how I even dare to question anything about the mighty Hedi.

I take your bait so we shift our attention to comparing his other work against the series posted. Still waiting to hear why the posted pictures are even remotely same standard to his other work other than being black and white and high contrast. It's not because there is a guitar and biker jacket in the photo that it's a definitive good Hedi picture.

"That's how transparent your intentions are. You had zero interest in talking photography, period. For you, it was never about photography."
Indeed, I provided my opinion on the original post indicating I'm not a fan of this work. You wanted to shift it to a photography discussion by calling out "you talk about grittiness as if that is the only thing that Hedi's photography or design is about" Your assumption and blind belief is that I wanted to be edgy. You're wrong but the broken connection between your googley eyes and your brain can not compute anything different at this point.

Anyway, grittiness is literally one of the trademarks of his work but FAIR point, it's not the only thing so I provide you reasoning on why his other work is better than this work by calling out other traits that are CLEARLY lacking in this series. Rather than providing constructive argumentation, you revert back to being a dismissive little I-crap-memes-alot arsehole.

"I wasn't the one who pretended to be an authority on Hedi's photography and why it is not good. You did."
Further proofs the point you are too busy being constipated. Here is the original line : "Based on this snippet, I would not buy any photo book of him." Show me in this post where I'm talking about all his work. Simple **** to comprehend.

Your style of posts are clearly organized and structured around aggravating, but between all the passive aggressiveness, pseudo freud analysis, and meme posting it's actually very interesting to see how you're quick to dismiss but slow to contribute any counter-arguments.

 

[LA Guy]

Some people are asked to please stop clogging up the thread with traded insults. If you have a salient point to make, please do so in a constructive, positive, and respectful manner. Otherwise, I will need to exclude you from the thread. This pertains to all posts from from this one forward.

I was in the LA Fashion industry when Hedi Slimane started his career at Dior Homme in the earliest 2000s, with the stated objective of making clothes that forced the wearer into a better posture (there was always a good selection at the now defunct Barneys). This was around the same time that Miuccia Prada said that she was making clothes for a well dressed army, and both the Miu Miu and Prada brands had several military collections, so I think that it was a sign of the times. Though his inspirations have changed since then and the tone of his silhouettes have stayed fairly consistent. I honestly have not followed his work at Celine, so I may stand corrected.

Now, let's start having reasonable discussions, okay?

Incidentally, I read French well, though not fluently. Since this is an English language forum, though. I will ask everyone, out of consideration to all our readers, to write in English, and especially to not insult other members or make snide comments in French.

Thanks,

Fok.

 

[shoegazesummer]

Finally bought some Dylan's, was a bit hesitant cause they're velvet but I've wanted some for a while and the price was too good to pass. Also have quite a few things coming in the mail this weekend: Viscose shirts, dress shirts, few pairs of trousers, Lou jeans, houndstooth coat + some Hedi SLP stuff.
My closet would be nowhere near as big if not for irresponsible 3am purchases.

i'm thinking of picking up one of the lavallière scarves and a western belt soon

 

[ParsonsNudieSuit]

This garbage happens in forum after forum. This whole site is such a joke. Don't all of these paid partnerships pay for any moderators?

 

[Jack3tjunkie]

So now you are inept in chess as well ?

I see you have no real ammunition in your gun, shooting blanks all over the place. The barking dog does indeed not bite after all. Castrated almost. Yet, somehow I see why you are blaming me of the same. I've lowered myself to your level of posting and was almost blinded and equally castrated by it.

So, In the light of getting back to constructive opinions, I'm now comfortably at home and will actually take some time to indulge you just once in your shenanigans. I double dare you to actually counter me with some actual arguments instead of using hollow sentences as if you're playing imaginary chess on a forum (that's kinda sad and you know it)

So, FIRST - Let's establish my view on Hedi's style and substance in photography :

• Typical rebellious and edgy aesthetic, representing individuality and nonconformity
• Very reminiscent of punk(rock), capturing youth and their sense of free spirit
• When not working with youth, focuses a lot on framing and either big emphasis on contrast or sometimes the complete lack of contrast
• Black and white palette, typically indicating timelessness
  • Yet, tries to keep it modern instead of vintage - although he uses the concepts of 70s and 80s pictures to recapture the feel in most of his work
• A lot of focus on androgynous models wearing iconic clothing, personally not a big fan but it's part of his brand
• Undertones of generational concepts of the 80s, not being afraid to play around with identity
• Bold angles, high contrast, focus on shadows
• Gritty and authentic undertone, often as if the subject was captured in an unaware state
• I would say, often film noir esque as well
• Excellent skills in framing, utilizing the right space but with some weird cropping, making images often more appealing than you first think
• Good storytelling, the pictures often provide a narrative on the individual

That's what we generally see and what I like in his work.

Second, let's compare now against other work and the established rules.

Compared to the other pictures in the post, the only thing that makes it a good photo is the strong technical capabilities and the continued usage of iconic clothing. But that is not necessarily the same as a good Hedi picture.

They hardly tell any story, they do not capture the deep intrinsic nature of his other work, the models do not contribute to the emotion of the story, The framing and shadows feels to forced, too much thinking and trying instead of going with panache from the hearth or capturing a moment. The result is a bland -of the mill- fashion magazine ready publication. Many other photographers are good at this already. Maybe it's the models after all as well, they are too polished, too much rockstars with a 'I drink my vegan green smoothie matcha tea in the morning to polish my voice' kind of vibe.

If you want to play your whole argument around technical capabilities, then we will be doing this forever.

Finally, he has often been critiqued as style over substance, and there is certainly some truth to it but the series posted a couple of pages ago really IS style over substance.

In essence - Technically ahead of many others, OK to good impressions, occasionally a great one but generally speaking underwhelming for Hedi. So .. as said, based on that selection, I would not buy a book or be interested to visit an exhibition.

Much better work here :

 

[rire]

Posts #11,258 and #11,266 weren't brutal enough?

Of course trying to mesh the 'rock' thing – musicians obviously directed to pose with their instrument as if it was such an amazing feat to know how to hammer powerchords – with the 'french' refined Celine DNA was never going to work. It comes off as try hard, uninspired, lazy and ultimately fake (very much like me!) as made evident by those Jack White and Wyatt Whatshisname pictures and pointed out by Jack3tjunkie.

This new set of pictures indeed tells a different story. All you need is eyes to see the difference.

 

[ScrubbyDoo]

i'm thinking of picking up one of the lavallière scarves and a western belt soon

The western belt is on my list of things to buy. I want more outerwear & tailoring but my closet is overflowing as it is, I have tons of stuff for sale but things are moving really slow.

 

[ScrubbyDoo]

Would buy more loafers if they had more than just the basic triomphe available. I have some Luco's I've put through hell over the past three years and have held up remarkably well, makes me want more.

 

[parade]

While you finally brought in some substance, I am overall a bit disappointed because it was just a list of what you notice about Hedi's photography style, unsupported claims to justify why you don't like certain photos, then followed by photos you like.

Black and white palette

Wrong. Your view is very myopic if you think Hedi's photography style is restricted only to black and white photographs. There are multiple examples at CELINE. But let's look at his work at Saint Laurent.

Gritty and authentic undertone, often as if the subject was captured in an unaware state

One of Hedi's types of photographs are portraits. These are the opposite of candid shots, and the person being photographed is often looking directly at the camera.

They hardly tell any story, they do not capture the deep intrinsic nature of his other work, the models do not contribute to the emotion of the story

"They hardly tell any story", are you listening to yourself here? Please enlighten me on what "story" your photos supposedly show that mine do not. Anything you come up with is going to be ridiculous.

The framing and shadows feels to forced, too much thinking and trying instead of going with panache from the hearth or capturing a moment. The result is a bland -of the mill- fashion magazine ready publication.

While candid shots are part of Hedi's oeuvre, he does way more than that.

"Framing and shadows feels too forced." This one is laughable. The interplay between light and dark creates that chiaroscuro effect that is one of Hedi's signatures. You probably don't know what chiaroscuro is, so look it up. Hedi makes sure to artificially light the person to create these dramatic shadows. I wouldn't be surprised if additional processing is involved.

Maybe it's the models after all as well, they are too polished, too much rockstars with a 'I drink my vegan green smoothie matcha tea in the morning to polish my voice' kind of vibe.

There are 12 models in the photos I have shared. You're trying to tell me the majority of them give the "I drink my vegan green smoothie matcha tea" vibe.

Meanwhile you post this:

Also, you just exposed how old and out of touch you are if you don't realize how normalized green juice is with young people in that world.

Finally, he has often been critiqued as style over substance, and there is certainly some truth to it but the series posted a couple of pages ago really IS style over substance.

Style over substance really is a referring to authenticity. I shared pictures of musicians posing with their instruments for a photo shoot. They're real musicians, those are their real instruments they play, and often they're wearing their own real clothes. You're frantically throwing words hoping they would stick. You really thought you had something.

 

[rire]

that chiaroscuro effect that is one of Hedi's signatures.

Hedi is literally Rembrandt at this point. Love that for him!

 

[Jack3tjunkie]

Admin: I editted out a bunch of unnecessary personal attack.

But if you want to go that route, let's talk technical : Playing with the dramatic interplays of lights and shadow to bring depth and convey emotional plays is true, no argument from me there. However, then we should also talk about the wide adoption of the rule of thirds and his finess with compositional techniques, like a keen eye for balance, symmetry, and leading lines. These elements are typically done by Hedi (and others) to provide some kind of narrative.

Texture and form is often evident, capturing the granularity of surfaces and often using geometric shapes within the frame, contributing to the overall visual complexity.

But here is the kicker, and now I need to assume you're either very young or very thick. We can talk composition, color theory, chiaroscuro, depth of field, and all those fancy terms all day long. It’s like peeling back the layers a photo to see what makes it tick. It’s cool, it’s analytical, and it helps us understand the craftsmanship behind certain pieces. Hedi is technically gifted, we're past that point now.

But then, there’s the emotional assessment. That’s where the feels come in. It’s not about how well something is made, it’s about how it makes you feel. Does it make you think? Does it take you to another place? It’s about connecting with the art and having it speak to you. You can't simply judge every series of photos the same, you need to step back and let them speak for a moment. If we take his candid photos an example, they have the ability to make you think, think about that moment, the vibe on the set or scene, how it resembles a time period you miss, etc. I simply don't have that connection with the 12 model pictures.

So, if I grant myself the authority to be non-moveable on the topic of thinking they are poor hedi pictures, then you are allowed the same luxury. You think the photos are great, fine for me actually.

PS. Being out of touch is generalizing green juices are normalized with the youth. You do realize there is an actual complex multi-cultural, multi-regional world outside of your world, right?

 

[Dawnwolf]

whats happening with that delusional daydream show?

They filmed a video that should be up this month (maybe for PFW?)
But considering how long it took for Palace and Wiltern to be uploaded
I dont believe in a September release date.
They had a showroom back in July but nothing crazy except for a brown leather jacket.

 

[ScrubbyDoo]

I bought some women’s flared trousers without realizing they didn’t have front pockets 🤦‍♂️