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But this guy is really showing off that kpop stars can cause an interest in the menswear too.
Probably from Kenzo's recent death in combination with hypebeast designer Nigo taking the reign causing an influx in people searching for the brand.
I for one really hope that Hedi stays at Celine and I think he will. But this kinda relates back to my first post on this forum: Celine menswear does seem to be a folly. I can't work where it delivers profit. RTW is usually loss-making and there's nowhere near enough of it with Celine Homme. And they're not using it as a halo for a mainstream perfume like most other houses do. I just don't really understand how economically it can exist. The handbags are clearly the cash cow, and having teen-inspired menswear is hardly driving sales of handbags. But - to make clear - I'm so glad Celine Homme exists! And if I am right, I hope there is room for folly in this world, and at LVMH.My earlier comment re: the paucity of merchandise (menswear) on the website is nothing new, and not portending some imminent transfer to another house. It's been like that since day one, and maybe as others have noted, reflects the focus on womenswear, bags, and other accessories. If anything, I'd be favorably disposed toward Hedi leaving Celine. I'm superficial enough that the name Celine doesn't kill it for me! ha.
Here's a quick list of some houses/options and my insipid thoughts on each:
- Return to Dior - impossible re: Kim Jones's success, but perhaps the KJ future, bright, big cartoon thing is a bit played out. I like the finer quality of Dior so would prefer HS at this house
- Chanel Menswear - bold, creative, dark. Would love it, too. Riffing off of a new platform would be auspicious, however, I'd imagine the brand doesn't want to rock its boat of endless success
- Hedi Slimane - always an option, although I always have had the feeling that Hedi is so enmeshed in the art, the photography, the design, that the whole logistics/organizational process may be too much or perhaps a bore
- YSL - too weird, too done.
- Lanvin - too low.
- Karl Lagerfeld - too derivative, even odder
- Bored of this list now
Again with reference to what I was saying above, I feel too that Celine is below the radar and unrecognised. But I really hope that the Balenciaga / Gucci boys don't jump on it. I'm hoping the feminine name Celine keeps them away. I like the rareness of the items. I like the fact its customers have to work a bit harder to get hold of it. It's not available in Selfridges, Harvey Nichols or Harrods and that for me makes it so much more valuable. I feel special wearing my Celine trainers and see people trying to work out what they are because they make a big statement and yet the name is totally unknown. For me Celine is my grail menswear brand: The Dancing Kid and Teen Knight Poem specifically. Cosmic Cruiser, less so. But yes, that's just me...Regarding the Celine label I see lots of Celine around in UK grime and hip hop, as well as in US hip hop, but I do think the name Celine was holding it back for a lot of men in the west because to most people it's not a desirable menswear brand due to the lack of recognition. A lot of people would rather wear Balenciaga sock trainers etc that are easily recognisable.
Hey, thanks! It might be that Hedi insists on doing menswear (for whatever reason, artistically, personally) and that this is part of the deal he struck with LVMH and that even if it is a net loss, his clout in womenswear and women's lines (handbags and so on) will more than make up for it, such that if they got another designer who axed the menswear, while they would make a saving there, perhaps they would not be able to deliver the profit in the women's lines which more than makes up for the loss on menswear. Just a thought! I just can't imagine LVMH being driven by anything other than profit, so can't see them tolerating a folly, unless a theory like this was at play.Excellent points godnose and I love the idea of allowing room for folly. That to me is a prerequisite for a lot of great creativity and not redoing the same old sops. Sometimes you can get lucky and hit the nail on the head, lightning in a bottle so to speak, but oftentimes one needs to take a stab and maybe you pick up on a zeitgeist and/or inspire others to disseminate it for you.
The sad thing about the photo, though, is that the guy looks like he is maybe in his mid teens and therefore probably has yet to develop a strong sense of personal style. So he just buys Celine clothes because it's expensive. And that posting the picture online isn't a way to flaunt "status" but to flaunt his excessive (monetary) dedication to Lisa. Which, like other posters have mentioned, is hard to tell whether the right emotion to feel is second-hand embarrassement or to feel sad for him. Regardless, it is an indulgence for sure that makes it obvious he's missing the art and beauty of fashion which makes Hedi great. Kinda like how so many people buy Gucci belts to flaunt them but being oblivious to what Alessandro Michele has done to the brand's overall vision or even his name. But if that kind of indulgence is keeping Celine sales up and helping keep Hedi at Celine for us to see more of what he's thinking then I'm certainly not too mad about it - as long as he isn't the one causing the items I want to buy to be sold out lol.I do not like this aspect of "luxury" at all. It's flashy, wasteful, excessive and vulgar.
The excessive consumption is just so tasteless and is really indicative of a social malaise. It does away with the art and beauty of fashion for me.
I honestly don't even find Celine to be that feminine of a brand name, but that's just me. Maybe I'm biased as I never kept up with the brand when Phoebe Philo was heading it so the main association I have with it is with Hedi.I'm hoping the feminine name Celine keeps them away
I really can't imagine living like that. Obviously because I'm not rich but also because I'm constantly pressuring myself into selling items if they're too similar to what I already have, and one of the items is just "better." I think that's where I have the most fun with this whole fashion thing too, to get a closet full of items I really enjoy wearing through trial and error.I do not like this aspect of "luxury" at all. It's flashy, wasteful, excessive and vulgar. It reminds me of the Malaysian investigation into corruption where the ex Prime Minister's wife was found to have 284 Hermes handbags and they were wheeling out trolleys full of them. The excessive consumption is just so tasteless and is really indicative of a scoail malaise. It does away with the art and beauty of fashion for me.
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