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Celine academy derbies with the C stitching looks similar to Church's design.
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They face in different directions though. The Celine version stitching is way more elegant.
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When switching to a more relaxed proportion in the lower body, the upper body has to loosen up a bit to balance it all out or else it feels awkward
 

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When switching to a more relaxed proportion in the lower body, the upper body has to loosen up a bit to balance it all out or else it feels awkward
I'm not sure I agree with this as a general rule. I seem remember my style hero Vincent Gallo would usually wear super slim leather jackets with trousers with a slight flare or even wider legs. but then again maybe you wouldn't dig this look.
 

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I'm not sure I agree with this as a general rule. I seem remember my style hero Vincent Gallo would usually wear super slim leather jackets with trousers with a slight flare or even wider legs. but then again maybe you wouldn't dig this look.
I just googled it and I see what you mean. Yeah the contrast is too much for me.
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The only super slim leather jacket with wide legged trouser look I like is from ss05.
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I think the genius is the jacket is unbuttoned and the t-shirt also being relaxed to give balance.

Or relax the shoulders so that the jacket's shoulders are wider than the anatomical shoulder.
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The contrast just feels too much for me. When I paired those pants with a more relaxed jacket with a ghetto photoshop, it feels more comfortable. But I can understand if someone likes that high contrast rather than harmony.
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Can't really understand the review here besides that they found Reptile to smell sexy and manly and was their favourite one
 

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In re: Vincent Gallo, I feel the styling with looser pants and tighter leather jackets/tops work because he just owns it. Even the sleeveless striped shirt, wider hem pants and red boots from Buffalo 66. It works.

when it comes to a lot of these pics, in my opinion, the clothes are often wearing the person and not the other way around. The end result comes across as stiff and stilted whereas Gallo is more natural. That‘s something I feel with a lot of brands where one almost adopts an identity from the clothes and styling like RRL western cosplay, Saint Laurent skinny rock star, and Celine tik tok vibes.
 

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I just googled it and I see what you mean. Yeah the contrast is too much for me. View attachment 1595616

The only super slim leather jacket with wide legged trouser look I like is from ss05.
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I think the genius is the jacket is unbuttoned and the t-shirt also being relaxed to give balance.

Or relax the shoulders so that the jacket's shoulders are wider than the anatomical shoulder.
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The contrast just feels too much for me. When I paired those pants with a more relaxed jacket with a ghetto photoshop, it feels more comfortable. But I can understand if someone likes that high contrast rather than harmony.
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Yeah, later on in the day I was thinking of that Dior collection as well. Some of the stuff he did there is really interesting; much more unique than the SLP stuff I feel. I do wonder if the super long legs of the guy in the photo you posted might be throwing off the proportions. In other words, I wonder if he needs a bigger jacket due to his longer legs.
In re: Vincent Gallo, I feel the styling with looser pants and tighter leather jackets/tops work because he just owns it. Even the sleeveless striped shirt, wider hem pants and red boots from Buffalo 66. It works.

when it comes to a lot of these pics, in my opinion, the clothes are often wearing the person and not the other way around. The end result comes across as stiff and stilted whereas Gallo is more natural. That‘s something I feel with a lot of brands where one almost adopts an identity from the clothes and styling like RRL western cosplay, Saint Laurent skinny rock star, and Celine tik tok vibes.
Without question you are right on this. It helps that Gallo was a professional model, and he really is the epitome of someone who doesn't care what others think (e.g. his odious political views). I also agree that a lot of the influencer types don't look natural, but I think in some cases it might be due to the artificial nature of posing for fits. I've come to the conclusion, that when you're wearing weirder clothes, so much depends on your ability to cultivate an indifference to your surroundings, especially passerby.
 

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As much as I can appreciate the modern silhouette intellectually, the 2010s silhouette just resonates with me on an emotional level. Long legs + short torso in skinny jeans is forever king. I'm going to turn into one of those Hedi fans who are stuck on fw03, and can't let go, despite it being already a decade ago.


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I was reading about new fragrance restrictions released in December 2019, a month after the Celine line was launched. I do wonder if LVMH got wind of it earlier which prompted them to hold back on Rimbaud and Bois Dormant as they realized their current formula was against new regulations.

Anyway, what does it mean for us? All new fragrances released must comply by new regulations by 10th February 2021, and perfumers have until February 2022 to reformulate all the current ones.
This is partly why I was so insistent on making sure my bottles had the made in 2019 batch codes, since I'm extra paranoid about reformulations due to what happened at to Hedi's fragrances at Dior. However, it is hard to say if the Celine ones were even affected at all since we won't know the ingredients used and their percentages.

Over the next couple of years you will see a lot of discontinuations, and those which aren't discontinued will be reformulated. You'll find that most perfume sales people will still deny that this is happening, because it is terrifically complex, so they find it easier as an industry, particularly in the UK where sales training is mostly based on flim-flam, flattery and froth. (Except when Olfiction are doing it.)
They're still allowed to sell "old" stock, since I was able to score 2019 bottles in 2021. It seems like the actual deadline for reformulations to appear will be 2022, but I can imagine some companies have already launched reformulated versions by now. I wonder if the perfumers are struggling to reformulate Rimbaud and Bois Dormant to Hedi's satisfaction. However, all of this is just pure speculation.
 

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As much as I can appreciate the modern silhouette intellectually, the 2010s silhouette just resonates with me on an emotional level. Long legs + short torso in skinny jeans is forever king. I'm going to turn into one of those Hedi fans who are stuck on fw03, and can't let go, despite it being already a decade ago.
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Same here and I don't care. It suits me perfectly.
 

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I'm not sure I agree with this as a general rule. I seem remember my style hero Vincent Gallo would usually wear super slim leather jackets with trousers with a slight flare or even wider legs. but then again maybe you wouldn't dig this look.
Yep, don't think everything needs to be oversized for it to work at all. In fact the risk of wearing all oversized is you simply end up looking shapeless (or even obese), even if you're actually a total beanpole underneath.

Also, the total opposite can look good too (i.e. oversized top, skinny bottoms).

No rules.
 

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I know there was a blazer discussion going on a little while back. I'm wearing one of my favorite SL blazers, since it's a little different. Paired it with a BoO shirt and sporting Celine Eau de Californie to keep on topic. I should've done Cologne Française.
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I know there was a blazer discussion going on a little while back. I'm wearing one of my favorite SL blazers, since it's a little different. Paired it with a BoO shirt and sporting Celine Eau de Californie to keep on topic. I should've done Cologne Française.View attachment 1596183
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Eau de Californie would give it a very low key vibe for me. It smells so smooth and effortless. It doesn't try to scream or shout for attention.
 

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I was reading about new fragrance restrictions released in December 2019, a month after the Celine line was launched. I do wonder if LVMH got wind of it earlier which prompted them to hold back on Rimbaud and Bois Dormant as they realized their current formula was against new regulations.


This is partly why I was so insistent on making sure my bottles had the made in 2019 batch codes, since I'm extra paranoid about reformulations due to what happened at to Hedi's fragrances at Dior. However, it is hard to say if the Celine ones were even affected at all since we won't know the ingredients used and their percentages.


They're still allowed to sell "old" stock, since I was able to score 2019 bottles in 2021. It seems like the actual deadline for reformulations to appear will be 2022, but I can imagine some companies have already launched reformulated versions by now. I wonder if the perfumers are struggling to reformulate Rimbaud and Bois Dormant to Hedi's satisfaction. However, all of this is just pure speculation.
I realize that it might not make much sense when I talk about "batch codes". So for LVMH, there is an easy way to tell when the fragrance is made, its "batch code" and the fragrance's "formula code". The formula code is supposed to indicate a change in the formula...however in my experience the fragrance can have the same formula code despite smelling different so it isn't a 100% sure indicator, but it is a useful tool. The reverse could be true as in some regions might have a different regulation on which UV filters are able to be used. I remember the Dior Homme in Japan had a different formula code because of a different UV filter, but it smelled the same.

Information on batch code
The scheme is the following :
8Axx = 1998 January
8Bxx = 1998 February
8Cxx = 1998 March
8Dxx = 1998 April
8Exx = 1998 May
8Fxx = 1998 June
8Gxx = 1998 July
8Hxx = 1998 August
8Jxx = 1998 September
8Kxx = 1998 Oct.
8Lxx = 1998 November
8Mxx = 1998 December
You then re-start with the number 9, indicating 1999:
9Axx = 1999 January
9Bxx = 1999 Feb.
9Cxx = 1999 March
9Dxx = 1999 April
9Exx = 1999 May
9Fxx = 1999 June
9Gxx = 1999 July
9Hxx = 1999 August
9Jxx = 1999 September
9Kxx = 1999 Oct.
9Lxx = 1999 November
9Mxx = 1999 December

then 0, indicating year 2000:
0Axx = 2000 January
0Bxx = 2000 Feb.
0Cxx = 2000 March
0Dxx = 2000 April
0Exx = 2000 May
0Fxx = 2000 June
0Gxx = 2000 July
0Hxx = 2000 August
0Jxx = 2000 September
0Kxx = 2000 Oct.
0Lxx = 2000 November
0Mxx = 2000 December

then number 1, indicating 2001:
1Axx = 2001 January
1Bxx = 2001 Feb.
1Cxx = 2001 March
Actually, all Dior products silently advice you when a "reformulation" occurred: you simply have to check "the Number" written on the box, i.e. the number appearing on the corner of the box referring to the composition of the scent/cosmetic: when this number changes, it means the scent/cosmetic composition consequently changed: so, you know a reformulation occurred.
Here's a picture describing how to find the Number on Dior Homme
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But what is exactly this Number? We need a few steps backwards....
During year 2003, the European Commission issued the 2003/14/EC Directive, about the mandatory labeling of the "allergens" on the box of all European-marketed scents and cosmetics, to be implemented within two years (i.e. year 2005, at latest).
Furthermore, one of the rules involved the "order of appearance" of each allergen, which had to be proportionate to its amount. For example: if you read on the box: "eugenol-linalool-citral", it means eugenol is present in a greater concentration than linalool; and linalool is present at a greater concentration than citral, and so on.

Since 2004-2005, Dior wrote this mandatory list on all perfumes, adding the Number: obviously it is a different number for each type of scent (EdT, EdP, Parfum, Cologne, Aftershave, Soaps, Body creams etc, have a different number, since the "composition" is different)
But when you read a different Number in the same product (for eample, EdT during different years), it means the "composition" inside the bottle changed, and a reformulation occurred. You could see differences in the listing, too.

Beware: a changing in Number/Formula means the composition changed; but this does NOT automatically mean the "smelling" changed, too: actually it could be possible having a change in the formula, leaving the smell unaltered, and vice versa (a bit unlikely, however...)
Example of this change in action. Here is an early bottle of Dior Homme produced in 2005.
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Dior HOMME, early bottle,
batch 5L01, formula 1704/A

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A rare alternate early version, listing Benzophenone
(an UV-rays blocker), formula 01792/A

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DIOR HOMME
differences between 2008 (01704/A) and 2013 (05434/A)

Batch codes and formula codes of the Celine bottles/samples made in 2019:


Saint-Germain-des-Prés
  • 9M01 - December 2019
    • 13941/A
La Peau Nue
  • 9M01 - December 2019
    • 13942/A
Cologne Française
  • 9L01 - November 2019
    • 13943/A
Dans Paris
  • 9M01 - December 2019
    • 13944/A
Eau de Californie
  • 9L01 - November 2019
    • 13945/A
Black Tie
  • 9G01E - July 2019
    • 13962/A
  • 9M01 - December 2019
    • 13962/A
Parade
  • 9M02 - December 2019
    • 14067/A
Reptile
  • 9M01 - December 2019
    • 14288/A
Nightclubbing
  • 9G01E - July 2019
    • 14289/A
  • 9M01 - December 2019
    • 14289/A

The batch code and formula code is on the bottle of the cardboard box. The batch code can also be found on the sticker on the bottom of the bottle, but not the formula code.
 

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