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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by jet, Nov 3, 2008.

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  1. budapest12

    budapest12 Distinguished Member

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    Agree but let us keep in mind that given the tiny supply and huge demand, luck and terrific timing (also mainly luck) probably play the greatest role here. Who are retailers going to sell their 20 pairs to, if not customers they know. I would expect that these customers are signing on to the orders first bc they get a heads up or asked at around the time the order was placed. It's not right if pairs are held back to sell only to certain people, but if those people got in early - well, fair is fair. Nevertheless, I am frustrated by a total lack of transparency and by stories that make no sense at all. Not ordering an 8D? Yeah, right.
     
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  2. NAMOR

    NAMOR Stylish Dinosaur

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    Alden is ran ass backwards and their operations are as old as shoe making is a profession. All this about not wanting to grow and sacrifice quality argument is horseshit. They can't even make a decent shoe as it is. their UK counterparts- C&J, Trickers, and even AS benchgrade - make a much better built shoe in similar styles. C&J would mark their shoes as defective if their workers began producing Alden 1st quality work. It's that bad. Alden as business hasn't done anything to justify charging $700 for shoes.

    The problem is that demand has risen to such a high level, and their customers so focused on these "rare" shells, for example, that they have turned a blind eye to the fact that other better quality shoemakers are making shell for the same price in any color cordovan in just months. Carmina pumps out ANY color shell (horween) in just months. Every three months you could have a new rare shell.

    If Alden was made in china no one here would give them the light of day.

    Alden is great but all this noisy drama and waiting for an imperfect $700-$750 shoe, has me feeling like I'm in high school again
     
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  3. wildstar

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    Love these boots, can't wait for my order for those from J Crew.
     


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    My best friend worked at the athletes foot in the late 90s.
    I didn't have to stand in line for coveted basketball sneakers. The store would get 2 pairs of each size and release them Tuesday mornings.
    I had a pair of 10.5 waiting for me after work, I even got the employee discount sometimes.
    I wonder if any of my close friends want to work at jcrew.
     


  5. budapest12

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    ^ Ouch. Spot on. Have to say that I love the way Alden finishes its shell - and certain styles are phenomenal. I'd buy them if I could - but I can't. Just ordered my first C&J shells and have a pair from Carmina I love. Ultimately, they will get more of my money in the long haul because, while I enjoy seeing what other people here are buying and wearing, I'm going to get what is actually available. And given the superior construction - it won't matter that much to me in the end.
     


  6. Winston S.

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    :lurk:

    I agree with your points.
     
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    NAMOR Stylish Dinosaur

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    Agreed sir


    I wrote that post in my Jcrew alden boots with the #8 stains on the vamp. I love alden, but I'm irrational
     


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    Looking for some expertise from the group. What would you recommend to best match/cover up the nick I seem to have gotten on my cigar PTBs?

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    Much appreciated
     


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    Not sure I can see what you are referring to, but Alden Brown Paste Wax for Cigar Uppers. AE Chili Edge Trim for antique edge stain.
     
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  10. tifosi

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    Are you referring to the mark on the sole edge? I don't see anything on the upper. Either way Bakes answer still stands.
     


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    Thanks guys, I guess the pic doesnt quite show it the way it looks from vantage point. It is on the sole edge near the toe, I think I caught it on the clutch stepping into the car.
     


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    Quote:I have both the C&J Ralph Lauren Lindrick and Marlow Penny. I believe they are a better quality shoe. Aside from the LIndrick the Marlow family can be had for less than the Alden counterparts.
     


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    I also think Carmina's finish is of a higher grade for a similar price point
     


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    As long as Alden and their retailers can sell through more or less 95% of their cordovan styles at ever increasing retail, there may be little incentive to change. They could make more money if they change their practices, but only if they truly could gain access to more Horween shells (which they claim they cannot).

    There does seem to be more cordovan shoes available to customers than before, which in theory should create more competition for Alden and create more pressure for them to change practices. However, I doubt that there is really true competition to Alden in the cordovan shoe realm at Alden's scale. Remember that Alfred Sargent, Trickers, Carmina, etc all probably sell shoes in less than 20 retail locations or so combined in the US. When counting Brooks Brothers, select J Crews, and independent retailers, Alden may sell in many dozens if not over a hundred. Alden probably still sells multiples more shoes in cordovan than any single other manufacturer. It seems doubtful that any of them would likely be able to meet Alden's demand. However, since they have less demand, this makes other manufacturers look better in comparison.

    Alden's quality control can be poor, but in a world when most people around me who are purportedly well dressed are wearing some variation of a Ferragamo or Gucci black slip on, having shiny cigar, black or color 8 cordovan models in a variety of styles is a cool way to stand out; plus, I can easily get my size and have helpful retailers to help me get shoes. I'll stick with them for this price range of shoes. I am exploring Edward Green and will be buying more of their stuff; however, at $1,100 to $1,400 per pair in calfskin, it's simply a different product.
     
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    Well said.
     


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