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The Official Alden Thread for 2016 - Share reviews, sizing, advice, and photos.

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by mdubs, Jan 1, 2016.

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  1. TO Tie Guy

    TO Tie Guy Senior member

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    Happy Monday everyone!

    Whiskey Wingtip Boot from AoM

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  2. JSO1

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    Cigar PT boots today.

    These were in pretty rough shape, so I gave them a nice round of TLC this weekend. New boot laces, fresh edge dressing, and a thorough cleaning (damp cloth, wet brushing, Bick 4, brushing, VSC, buffing). Very happy with how they cleaned up.

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  3. HenryIII

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    Great boots this morning, gentlemen. Went with the ole 975s today.

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  5. JSO1

    JSO1 Senior member

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    Email Ed Z at TSM and let him know - maybe he'll blacklist the seller from any future purchases.
     
  6. smoothie1

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    Did I miss something? Do you really think it is unethical or otherwise wrong to flip Aldens?

    I understand why it raises eyebrows and annoys people. However, the phenomenon is a consequence of Alden's limited production of shell, sparse and expensive international distribution, and nutty shell collectors.
     
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    Yes. Protect the community of folks who actually appreciate and wear these shoes, not those who seek to profit from it to make a quick buck. Especially with long waiting lists for some makeups, encouraging people to buy and flip ends up causing frustration and disappointment among retailers, their regular customers, and even folks at Alden. I absolutely support retailers blacklisting customers who are known to just buy and flip for profit.
     
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    Yea, not really think he's gonna blacklist him but may at least will bring his attention.

    Yes, of course I think its unethical. And I know there is no real way to stop people from flipping but that doesn't make it right.
     
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    Some retailers would absolutely blacklist him. He also flipped some Cigar Indys and Cigar NSTs in November (asked $1600+ for them). I bet those were also from TSM.
     
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    I preordered that one long ago. Should be here in March, I think. Did you put a deposit down already?
     
  12. aldennoob

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    no, i will wait for next pre order as i need to ask Mr Adam to make a 6.5D for me.
    I am looking forward to your picture!
     
  13. smoothie1

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    I look at this this kind of flipping behavior as a symptom, rather than the actual problem itself.

    While flipping may cause issues at the very margins, the supply of Alden's "rare" colors of shell and special make ups is relatively limited. In my opinion, there will be plenty of unhappy people and retailers who appreciate Aldens who are unable to get them because of the limited supply. Flippers have little to do with it.

    I have sold shoes I no longer wanted both new and old. The way pre-ordering works, there is a perverse incentive to join multiple lists for shoes you may (or may not want), if only to preserve the option of delivery/ keeping them. Prices for Ravello and color 4 have gone so high that I liquidated the bulk of my collection in these colors, and honestly, I see that as kind of flipping trade. Would I have done this if resale prices were at or below new shoe cost? Nope.

    I mention all of this because while flipping irks me too, in a way, I do not find it morally questionable. It is a feature of the Alden game, markets, capitalism, and this shell cordovan obsession-bubble.
     
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    As long as the seller is honest and forthcoming about the quality of the shoes/boots they are selling and they are obtaining them via established means (i.e. not through a back channel that nobody else has access to at one of the official retailers) I see nothing unethical about flipping the shoes.
     
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  15. budapest12

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    Chamois tankers for the NYC commute:

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  16. Akeem

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    people are back- dooring Aldens?

    usually see this in the world of watches, especially with Panerai
     
  17. Michigan Planner

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    Not that I know of. I'm just saying that that would be unethical IMO if it were/is occurring.
     
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  18. JR Magat

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    I think the Alden rare shell game is a debatable topic. One way, it shows the supply/demand for rare shell is high, so in reality resell value is there for people to make profit in some cases (other non-shoe examples can be said with Playstations, tickle me Elmos, iPhones, etc.).

    Do I agree with it? No, but it's just a hard thing to manage and control when you got all sorts of buyers (good & "bad"). For TSM to blacklist these sellers sounds like a good idea, but can easily be a nightmare on their end to control it. eBay is just an open field, so the market will continue to be high there. Luckily for us, the SF & shoe enthusiasts community is pretty helpful and we look out for one another when it comes to selling our own items.

    With that said, I'd be surprised if the color 8 captoe boots sell much more than retail, but I could be wrong. I am having a hard enough time selling my new color 8 WTBs at retail. lol
     
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  19. JSO1

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    Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to me, flipping "rare" shell Aldens is lining your pockets at the expense of this community. It seems disingenuous to simultaneously benefit from the discussions and camaraderie of the people here while flipping makeups onto eBay without at least giving folks here a first shot at them for a reasonable price.

    While in this case, the seller may not be an active member here, I don't think it's unreasonable for retailers to recognize which customers just flip their shoes and which customers wear and enjoy them. Taking care of the latter category is likely to result in an overall happier customer base, whereas the former will just move on to a different get-rich-quick scheme.
     
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  20. bobdobalina

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    Apologies for not reading all eight trillion posts, but how, exactly, does one buy a pair of ravello boots nowadays?

    I live in CT and work in NY-- I have given both Madison Ave and TSM a fair amount of business over my lifetime but at neither place am I a "regular".
     
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