Hah..you are welcome! You should spend some time reading through Mdubs' Alden of San Diego blog and you will find plenty of great info. I agree sometimes it hard to distinguish No8(dark burgundy) and Cigar(dark brown), especially when both colors become significantly darker recently than before. The color of the shoes can be revealed by the model number inside the shoes. Take the Longwing as an example, the model number of color 8 longwing is 975, cigar longwing is 97894, ravello longwing is 97504 etc. Then you can do some research on the internet or send an enquiry email to Alden to know the true identity of the shoes.