The New Brooks Brothers

[smittycl]

I think I would need to put my cat’s picture on it...

Go for it! Here's one of mine wondering why you're taking so long...

 

[Phileas Fogg]

TF was cool before James Bond though?

Quite true

I mean do we remember the Ford Modeno or Astoin Martin in James Bond...

I remember the Mustang in “Diamonds are Forever”.

 

[Nobilis Animus]

TF was cool before James Bond though?

To some, James Bond wasn't cool until Daniel Craig. Those people have no taste.

 

[Nobilis Animus]

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This cat has both taste and poise.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

To some, James Bond wasn't cool until Daniel Craig. Those people have no taste.

Bond, the character, is cool. Moonraker, View to a Kill and Die Another Day did their best, unsuccessfully, to dispel that fact.

 

[Waldo Jeffers]

I recently read Ian Fleming’s Casino Royale and I actually think Craig is closer to the character than the other actors. Bond was not originally very likable.

It would actually be cool if the movie franchise took the character even more toward the original iteration.

it would be controversial because the novel version was even more misogynistic than the movie versions but I think audiences today could handle an ambivalent lead character

 

[Phileas Fogg]

I have never read any of the books but have heard the same thing.

 

[Waldo Jeffers]

I have never read any of the books but have heard the same thing.

supposedly Fleming liked Connery’s portrayal so much that he actually changed the character in later Bond novels to be more like Connery— but the first novel is quite dark and Bond is not sympathetic at all

 

[smittycl]

I recently read Ian Fleming’s Casino Royale and I actually think Craig is closer to the character than the other actors. Bond was not originally very likable.

It would actually be cool if the movie franchise took the character even more toward the original iteration.

it would be controversial because the novel version was even more misogynistic than the movie versions but I think audiences today could handle an ambivalent lead character

Yeah, I read them long ago after watching the movies and realized Bond is really a violent, amoral misogynist.

 

[Nobilis Animus]

I recently read Ian Fleming’s Casino Royale and I actually think Craig is closer to the character than the other actors. Bond was not originally very likable.

It would actually be cool if the movie franchise took the character even more toward the original iteration.

it would be controversial because the novel version was even more misogynistic than the movie versions but I think audiences today could handle an ambivalent lead character

I'd say you're correct attitudinally, but Craig is an oaf. The actual Bond had a high-class angle, or at least the ability to mix with the same without looking like a security guard.

Even Connery was originally rejected by Ian Fleming because he thought the actor would be too thuggish for the role. Bond should be a smooth operator and whippet-like, not a brawling toady.

 

[Nobilis Animus]

Yeah, I read them long ago after watching the movies and realized Bond is really a violent, amoral misogynist.

Misogynist is a word that gets used to cover too much, IMO. Sexist perhaps, but hardly hatred if Bond is constantly bedding women.

 

[dieworkwear]

Hot take: I think Bond is corny.

 

[Waldo Jeffers]

I'd say you're correct attitudinally, but Craig is an oaf. The actual Bond had a high-class angle, or at least the ability to mix with the same without looking like a security guard.

Even Connery was originally rejected by Ian Fleming because he thought the actor would be too thuggish for the role. Bond should be a smooth operator and whippet-like, not a brawling toady.

agree he doesn’t look like Fleming describes him. It’s his attitude that I think is closer than the other actors— he seems fatalistic and not like he’s having fun.

 

[Waldo Jeffers]

Misogynist is a word that gets used to cover too much, IMO. Sexist perhaps, but hardly hatred if Bond is constantly bedding women.

its not just about the bedding. He goes on and on in the 1st novel about how useless women are apart from being sex objects

it all fits with the character though if you imagine living a life of total secrecy, isolation and violence

 

[Waldo Jeffers]

Hot take: I think Bond is corny.

i think after Austin Powers and the Bourne movies it was kind of impossible to keep up the swinging spy thing