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Loake have also stopped selling through Pediwear, seems strange but there must be reasons.
I don't know how they choose their Special Offers, maybe they are try outs to see if there is any interest before producing in bulk.
I would be interested in these Waverley's if the leather is more like the 1880 leather rather than the plasticy stuff especially at that price as the black ones are £180 so £125 would seem to be a real bagain.
Discount shoe sales in Strutton Ground are good if you want cheap Loake and can visit Mon to Friday. However, Berwick 1707 seem to be a better offering in some cases. Their grain leather looks better than high shine polished in my opinion. Closer to £100 than £150 too.

https://discount-shoe-sales.com/footware
 

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I had a look at the Waverley, and the last (1639) is the same than the Royals. A bit too pointed maybe (to my taste) for plains/smooths.
I compared my Plains/Smooth shoes, the most 'pointy' is the Mephisto Taylor, the Loake Waverley and the Heschung Crocus are about the same width at the toe but the Heschung is more 'bulbous' the Loake is a different shape...it looks more 'blunt'....not great descriptions.
Anyway the Loake looks quite chunky,it doesn't have the seam on the inside that MrK dislikes on the 771...for £125 a Goodyear welted MiE shoe will not be found,imo the only question would be the type of leather,if the plasticy leather 771 is £180 then the Waverley has to be its equal (at least) in quality it could possibly be better and its £55 cheaper.
 

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Discount shoe sales in Strutton Ground are good if you want cheap Loake and can visit Mon to Friday. However, Berwick 1707 seem to be a better offering in some cases. Their grain leather looks better than high shine polished in my opinion. Closer to £100 than £150 too.

https://discount-shoe-sales.com/footware
When I saw the Berwick 1707 online pictures I was quite impressed,the only ones I have seen in the flesh were a few in Debenhams,they weren't in the designs that interested me.
I agree that Loakes high shine leather isn't the greatest but I suppose like the seams it keeps the price down,the 1880 range uses better leather but the price rises.
People compare Loake to Alfred Sargent and say that Loake are inferior but the AS shoes are probably double the price ! these Burgundy Loake Waverleys wont be as good as the Heschung Crocus but the Loakes are £125 the Heschung are about three times that !
At £125 the Loakes have to be a good buy price wise,if the leather is decent they could be an absolute bargain,plus they will be limited production.
 

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When I saw the Berwick 1707 online pictures I was quite impressed,the only ones I have seen in the flesh were a few in Debenhams,they weren't in the designs that interested me.
I agree that Loakes high shine leather isn't the greatest but I suppose like the seams it keeps the price down,the 1880 range uses better leather but the price rises.
People compare Loake to Alfred Sargent and say that Loake are inferior but the AS shoes are probably double the price ! these Burgundy Loake Waverleys wont be as good as the Heschung Crocus but the Loakes are £125 the Heschung are about three times that !
At £125 the Loakes have to be a good buy price wise,if the leather is decent they could be an absolute bargain,plus they will be limited production.
I have the Loake 1880 - a Kempton chukka in tan leather. They did take some breaking in. They were stiff at top of the boot and chafed. A Dainite sole and a darker colour would have would have been preferable with hindsight.

I do find the laces come undone on Loake Royals possibly due to the stiff leather. Again I would prefer a Dainite sole as the shoe is less stiff. Hoggs of Fife used to offer a Loake in grain leather with a Dainite sole and I much prefer them to Royals with a leather sole.
 

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I have the Loake 1880 - a Kempton chukka in tan leather. They did take some breaking in. They were stiff at top of the boot and chafed. A Dainite sole and a darker colour would have would have been preferable with hindsight.

I do find the laces come undone on Loake Royals possibly due to the stiff leather. Again I would prefer a Dainite sole as the shoe is less stiff. Hoggs of Fife used to offer a Loake in grain leather with a Dainite sole and I much prefer them to Royals with a leather sole.
I agree about the Hoggs of Fife Kenmore made by Loake in pebbled grain being superior to the Royal but 5 years ago the Kenmore was £210 I don't know what the Royal was then but its £180 now and I guess that the Kenmore would be at least £240 if it was available now ?
I remember many years ago suggesting on the other thread that approaching Loake with a view to a group buy of Royals in a better leather might be a good idea.
The Royal is available with a Dainite sole in Black or Dark brown as the Sovereign but its the same leather on the upper.
I have the Kempton in black with a Dainite sole and I like it I also have the Pimlico chukka in Brown with a Dainite sole its more chisel toed than the Pimlico.

Going back to the Burgundy Plain/Smooth with a Dainite sole,really there's not much choice, not sure if the Church Shannon comes in Burgundy or if they have a Dainite sole but they would be the thick end of £500 anyway,apart from that I am struggling to think of any other alternative.

Again I note that whilst we all come from a similar starting point we never get consensus on any item ! however I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing,imo it shows that whilst we all had similar influences we are now confident enough to choose what we like as individuals rather than wearing a 'uniform' as we did years ago,this imo is another difference between the two threads and long may the difference continue.
 

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I agree about the Hoggs of Fife Kenmore made by Loake in pebbled grain being superior to the Royal but 5 years ago the Kenmore was £210 I don't know what the Royal was then but its £180 now and I guess that the Kenmore would be at least £240 if it was available now ?
I remember many years ago suggesting on the other thread that approaching Loake with a view to a group buy of Royals in a better leather might be a good idea.
The Royal is available with a Dainite sole in Black or Dark brown as the Sovereign but its the same leather on the upper.
I have the Kempton in black with a Dainite sole and I like it I also have the Pimlico chukka in Brown with a Dainite sole its more chisel toed than the Pimlico.

Going back to the Burgundy Plain/Smooth with a Dainite sole,really there's not much choice, not sure if the Church Shannon comes in Burgundy or if they have a Dainite sole but they would be the thick end of £500 anyway,apart from that I am struggling to think of any other alternative.

Again I note that whilst we all come from a similar starting point we never get consensus on any item ! however I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing,imo it shows that whilst we all had similar influences we are now confident enough to choose what we like as individuals rather than wearing a 'uniform' as we did years ago,this imo is another difference between the two threads and long may the difference continue.
Yes Hoggs of Fife shoe was dearer. However, they had sales around Christmas with good discounts. That’s when I bought mine. Sadly I don’t think they offer the Kenmore any longer.

I did try to see a brown Sovereign in Discount Shoes but he did not have one in stock. ‘Look elsewhere and I will get in for you’ was the advice. I was told the brown is different to the Royal ox blood colour. However the Berwick pebble grain changed my mind on what I would choose when/if I need another pair.
 

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Just got my Florsheim long wings back from the repair shop and I am very happy with the results.

They have at the same time made the shoes look less ‘chunky’ and improved the wearability - I hope!

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I went today to the Paris Florsheim flagship store (i never went before, it opened two years ago) to discover that their recent offerings are mainly Made in Italy shoes with Vibram soles! (I suppose that they now have their shoes made in Italy as Vibram is an Italian company). Anyway, they had some very light longwings with vibram soles that looked quite good, at a very reasonable promotional price (€129).
 

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Check my blog if anyone’s interested, the challenge inspired me to do a post about polo shirts.
Interesting read and one I can certainly relate to.

I too remember the Lacoste that behaved perfectly and, like you, am saddened at the decline in quality.

My current polo wardrobe is split almost equally between PoloRL and Fred Perry these days. My long sleeve ones tend to be more in the John Smedley style rather than the more casual pique type.

I would say some of the 'polos' on display in the recent Challenge pushed the boundary of what constitutes a polo to the limit...
 

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TBH i thought that, even if there were smart dressers, the challenge lacked in originality. Most of the posters did copy and paste the inspiration pics : a polo under sports coat and tailored trousers. Boring. I chose to contest the way i usually wear a polo : with nothing else above as i keep them for warm weather. I usually never wear a polo (apart very rare occasions) under a sports jacket. I do wear a polo sometime under a harrington, a bomber jacket, rainwear, or a Trucker.
Why ? just because a shirt looks much better under a sports jacket/Blazer.
 

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