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The Look goes on...

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Mr Knightley, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. Clouseau

    Clouseau Senior member

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    Usually here, the Levi's on sale in the Department Stores are rubbish too. Not the case of the 501 i recently bought (at the Levi flagship store), a nice model i had never seen on sale before. I just had a little reduction though. Better than nothing.
    The right label with the right quality. :)
     
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  2. Thin White Duke

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    https://goo.gl/images/3PvNtm

    "Shat yaw mouf an look at my wad!"
     
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  3. cerneabbas

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    As my son said when I used to laugh at Vicky Pollard " its only funny because its true".
    I think that Harry Enfield was ridiculing behavior that became rife in the 80s and the mind set has carried on.
    I wonder though if the 'label' thing began in the late 60s with Levis,Wrangler,Lee as the only 'acceptable' brands for jeans,I certainly remember that when I was 11 or 12 we coveted those jeans.
    During the 80s Casual period I think that the label was sometimes more important than the item of clothing,never mind if M&S (for instance) made a better quality polo shirt people would pay 10 times the price for one with a Sergio Tacchini logo.
     
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  4. Clouseau

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    I suppose (and it was the same in France, especially Levi's) these labels were coveted because they were the older (in order Levi's, Lee, Wrangler), sturdier, and more authentic jeans brands. And you didn't have a lot of other jeans brands as nowadays. I think at the time some labels were synonymous with quality. Obviously not the case now.
    It's true that since the 80s a lot of people are more after a logo than quality. Strange thing today some very good brands, like APC for instance, have a no visible logo policy. On the cheaper side it is the case too with Uniqlo.
     
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  5. Fruitbat

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    Nail on the head regarding labels used to be associated with quality.
    In my world, casual was all over by mid 84 when the wearing of labels on the outside became passé. I wore things like Chippie jumpers, Camper shoes, Benetton Breton T-Shirts, but didn't think of it as particularly casual.
    Some will say it just became a bit more discreet-Armani, CP coats etc, but I didn't buy anything recognisably casual again until 98 when I bought a Burberry trench coat that I still have now.
    Shortly after that I got hold of Daks golf jacket which I've put on here before, and a red Fila BJ tracksuit top- which I coveted but couldn't afford in 82.
    The trouble with the first two items was by late 99 the masses started getting into them and it got all Chavtastic.
    It's only recently, after roughly a 16 year period of keeping it buttoned , I feel brave enough to wear the mac open with the check on display; somehow enough years have passed since the Chav/ Hooligan adoption that it seems OK now.
    Funny story about the Fila BJ, which as we all know was associated with Bjorn Borg and Wimbledon Tennis.
    I put the thing on EBay and it was bought by a Manc who was a full time rare tracksuit peddler.
    He got back to me saying the it was a snide, and demanded a refund.
    I gave him my address so he could send it back in the post. The address was on Worple Road Wimbledon, SW19 4BJ.
    The bloke thought I was on a windup!
    We ended up doing a swap over a few weeks down the line when Chelsea were hosting Man City
     
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  6. Man-of-Mystery

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    Miss Mystery and I will be going to see T2 tomorrow. This is Scotland, it's obligatory. Begbie looks almost stylish!

    [​IMG]

    Choose sta-prest, choose loafers, choose a Harrington jacket...

    :D
     
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  7. Clouseau

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    I met up with Botolph in Paris yesterday. A very nice and smart guy, and a true gentleman.
     
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  8. Mr Knightley

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    That's great - any pictures, gentlemen?
     
  9. Clouseau

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    I must say we totally forgot.

    Botolph was wearing a nice Navy BD shirt, Grey flat front wool trousers (i think), and Black Longwing brogues.

    I was more casual, wearing a (old) Levi's White Poplin BD shirt, Uniqlo selvedge black denim, 4 holes black DMs, black leather thick belt, and an Olive green M65 field jacket.
     
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  10. Thin White Duke

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    You are spot on with your comments on tnis and the previous post sbout labels C.
    I dare say some of us might have thought likewise when it came ro jeans, but as Clouseau there says there was only Levis, Lee and Wrangler then the cheap woolworths style which were noticeably inferior anyway to the big three.

    I reckon lasses are a lot worse than lads when it comes to getting sucked in by labels. My ex spent several grand on Louis Vuitton handbag, purse and keyring in that ugly brown with the LV emblem splattered all over it. The quality of the leather is like cardboard! (This kind of behaviour is partly why she's my ex!)
    Those companies have several layers of price / quality. The lowest level is splattered in badges so the aspirational plebs get sucked in so they can give the impression they are rich and can afford name brands (my ex certainly couldn't!) and they perpetuate the trend with free advertising. Several layers above this the likes of LV, Coach, Michael Kors etc will have stuff in much higher quality leather and likely discreet badging.
     
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    As the Inspecteur said, photos were forgotten about. It was absolute bedlam in there and there were many distractions, so even conversation was rather difficult!
    Much like how he comes across on the forums, Clouseau was conservative, polite, and interesting. A gent indeed. His buddy was polite, if a bit quiet(though given the setting it was rather an overwhelming place to be)His ensemble looked very well-put together; mine was what I've been wearing for the past 3-4 days[​IMG], pretty good observation on it, G.
    I was/am wearing a navy Ratio Clothing ocbd, grey Outlier 60/30 chinos(they look woolish from a couple feet away), a thin black J Press leather belt, and Black Loake Sovereigns.
    "Clean living under difficult circumstances" is the mantra for me out here traveling.... though it can sometimes be tough. Lots of wool and performance fabrics. I'm happy to read that Clouseau thought the performance fabric was wool trousers!
     
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  12. Clouseau

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    i had spotted a Chambray Gitman Vintage BD at the beginning of the sales, but the price was steep. I went back to the shop today, and finally obtained 50% off ! A label still associated with quality, MiUSA, true to size with all the correct details. [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. Botolph

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    Nice score. 50% off is 100% worth the price!
     
  14. Stingy Brim

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    Interesting what you say about 'several layers of quality'. Perhaps these would be 'made for bulk places like Costco' and then what they sell in the department stores. And then there is of course the shops and shopping centres that specialise in last season's collections - the 'outlet' stores - even Brooks Brothers I see is getting in the act on them. I wonder if stuff is just made for these places too?
     
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    Yes, Brooks Bros has a line that they sell exclusively at tneir outlets.
     
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  16. Thin White Duke

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    Yup. There's an outlet mall about ten miles from my house. We swing by there a couple of times a year. They have many of the shops you'd see in an upscale mall represented such as Lauren, Bass, J Crew, Brooks, Coach, etc but a lot of what you see in there was never on sale in a 'real' mall. The idea that you go there for the good quality stuff that was just overstock of unsold from last season is false really as many of these shops create cheaper lines exclusively for the outlet. As for the multiple layer approach, Ralph Lauren may be the worst offender as he has lines from Purple and Black Label at the top all the way down to that 'Lauren' with the dark green label which I read isn't even made in RL factories it's just some rebadged sweat shop tat made especially for the outlet mall vendors and Marshalls and TJ Max type places.
     
  17. Clouseau

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    Something i noticed when i was in Japan, i went to an outlet mall by the sea (the perfect place to be in case of Tsunami) not far from Osaka where they had a Brooks bros shop, the stuff there was definitely of lesser quality than in a traditional Brooks Brothers. Not the case of all the shops there though, i bought a very nice pair of Cole Haan Loafers (unfortunately now dead and buried).
     
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    I think pretty much all outlet retailers have majority made for the outlet merchandise.
    The clothing label usually has some small making on it to differentiate from normal store items.
    Ralph Lauren Polo for the outlet has a little silver circle or something like that on it.
    Brooks Brothers outlet stuff has the 365 label. It's pretty crappy.

    Ralph Lauren outlets used to always have a rack or two of what they call "past season retail" items which were overstock/unsold items intended for the normal stores.
    That seems to have dried up as ebay sellers seem to be able to get all of it before it ends up on the racks.
    You used to be able to find the premium Ralph Lauren items in the strangest places. I bought a couple pairs of heavy tweed Italian made Polo brand pants at the Honolulu RL outlet many years ago.

    Costco definitely sells a lot of stuff made for them.
    Living near Costco headquarters, I think we see a lot more variety of things. A few years back they were selling Filson waxed jackets, never to be seen again. Of course Filson is another Seattle based company.
     
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  19. Stingy Brim

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    Would love to see a sign out the front of an outlet store like this "rebadged sweat shop tat - 50% off!" [​IMG] At least they could say they are 'genuine' savings!
     
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    The cliche mod scooter, looks like it has a dado rail, only thing missing is pelmet and curtains, why?
     

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