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The Home Ownership Thread

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Douglas, Jan 31, 2012.

  1. RedLantern

    RedLantern Senior member

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    Excessive recessed lighting certainly can rob a space of period look if you're not careful about it. In areas where you want a lot of even light (kitchen & bathroom) I think it's nice, especially if you include other sources of light and fixtures that go along with your period or style (if you are trying to retain one). In bedrooms, living rooms, dining rooms, hallways, etc - I think recessed lighting can easily make a room feel over-lit and rob it of coziness and visual interest.

    Is this your first home? if so, you'll want to consider and weigh the likeliness that you will move and sell in the mid to near term when contemplating various updates, but regardless of that, it's a good idea to just live in a house for a little while before deciding what things you want to change (other than things that are necessities like a new kitchen and bathroom in your case). It does take a little while to really figure out all the things that you might appreciate or find irksome.

    GL with the remodeling!
     
  2. jbarwick

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    @emptym - I like the look of the bathroom you are going with. I want a similar feel when we remodel ours in a few years. It currently has small tiles on the floor with larger going up the walls but I am dealing with 1950s blue, gray, and yellow porcelain tiles which haven't aged well.

    As for lighting, I agree with redlantern than recessed lighting is nice in the kitchen and bathrooms but I would also add hallways. We added some in our bedrooms on their own switch but only use them sparingly so there is a question of worth. They are only used when it is dark and you really need light for whatever reason otherwise they are lamp lit.
     
  3. emptym

    emptym Senior member Moderator

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    Thanks for the thoughts on lighting, @RedLantern and @jbarwick . That makes sense and is helpful.


    JB, are they square tiles? I like the the look of ~4 inch square tiles on the wall and ~2" square tiles on the floor, particularly in the same color, like light gray. When we were looking at homes, a bunch had some kind of tile paint on them (since the originals were various colors, like peach, yellow, or green). Have you thought of trying htat in the interim?
     
  4. SkinnyGoomba

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    I bought and I'm happy with a DXV toilet.
     
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  5. sugarbutch

    sugarbutch Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    We put in recessed lighting for our addition. I like it because it's even and well lit. We have various other light sources for more intimate situations. Also, the cans are on a dimmer.
     
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  6. SkinnyGoomba

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    I would avoid using recessed lighting in a 1907 house, especially in a bathroom of moderate size. One overhead light, along with lighting over the vanity should be plenty.

    We have lighting over the vanity and one overhead and I almost never use the overhead light. The only people who do are the cleaning ladies.

    I think overall your choices are good and fitting of a 1907 house.

    Just one thing, and I may well stand alone with this one.....restore the windows. There is a beautiful 1920's house nearby to us, designed by a local architect with a FLW obsession, it's gorgeous, steel and concrete, brick, slate roof, beautiful wide plank oak floors and it had steel framed windows. Someone bought it....first thing they did was tear out the old steel frame windows and replace with a horror show of aluminum framed nastiness.
     
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  7. jbarwick

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    We have the original wood windows in our house with storm windows. If we could somehow restore them, I would not buy new. The years of swelling and shrinking are working against them but surprisingly the worst windows in the house are the 3 that are newer.
     
  8. SkinnyGoomba

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    You have to make good friends with a woodworker who has alot of spare time if you own an old house :D
     
  9. Marc Voorhees

    Marc Voorhees Senior member

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    On the window discussion I have a 1780's farmhouse with mostly original windows (new glass mixed in of course, but the the original frames and such) and some 'newer stuff from the 1830-40's. Cost to rebuild them is about $500 per opening. that includes replacing broken glass, rebuilding the windows and Sashes as needed, re glazing and repairing the pulley weights as needed. This is in eastern Connecticut from a guy who has been doing it for longer than I have been alive. This is a pretty top end rebuild from what I have seen, but he does excellent work. Hopes it plants an idea in your mind.

    Marc
     
  10. RedLantern

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    From the limited amount of information I have heard about window restoration, I have also heard that good restoration is pretty comparable, cost wise, to a top-end replacement window. If that's the case, I would definitely go with the restoration!
     
  11. jbarwick

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    We were looking at more than $500 per window for new windows so that may be an option.
     
  12. emptym

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    Thanks guys. So far, we're leaning toward restoring the windows. They're the old wavy glass, w/ the occasional bubble. So lots of beautiful character. There's two problems with that though: insulation (single pane) and the fact that they're non-tempered. The first part isn't too big of a concern in SF w/ our mild weather. But the second is huge to us, since we have kids and afaik, non-tempered glass breaks into lethal ahards. I've had nightmares of an earthquate breaking the windows and slicing our necks while we sleep. Am I being silly?

    @SkinnyGoomba I agree w/ you to an extent on recessed lighting in a small bathroom. Ours will be pretty small (5'6" x 8"), but the contractor plans to put five lights in, I believe. 4" LED cans, two above the tub, one each over the sink, toilet, and door. Our current bathrooms have a light/vent in the middle and lamps over the vanity. I'd probably have gone with that, but the new main bath will have a fairly large window over the sink. So, no room for lamps or mirror there Although, we may hang a mirror over the lower windowpane, which I've seen in other old homes and liked.

    The floor's been removed from the bathroom. It was about 3/4" higher than the hallway floor. The new floor should be level with the hallway, although that may take shaving down the joists a bit.

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    The asbestos is gone from the ceilings and we were given three options: (1) scrape, skim coat, and paint, (2) nail drywall over the ceiling, and paint, or (3) tear out the lath and plaster ceiling and install a drywall one. We went with the first option. So he's going to scrape loose material (old skim coat and paint), then patch holes/dents and skim cracks, then put a coat of primer on, then a skim coat over the whole thing, then two layers of primer and two of paint. Seems like overkill to me and my brother, an architect, but these guys are supposed to be total perfectionists. Price reflects that too, unfortunately.
     
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  13. Marc Voorhees

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    Wavy glass means it is at least (usually) 80+ years old and in reality probably dates back to the original house at 109 years old. I don't k ow much aboutSF, but I seem to recall them having an earthquake or two during that time period

    I have glass saying back 200 years survived hurricane sandy and who the hell k ows what else. If a baseball hit if, yeah, it is going to shatter into the house. Ifthe panes are properly glazed and restored if they crack due to movement, they should crack and stay in the actual frame.

    I would say that you are fine :)
     
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  14. sugarbutch

    sugarbutch Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I second Voorhees. If the glass has made it this far, it's unlikely to be a problem. Unless you're constrained in room layout to putting a bed under the window, it doesn't seem like something to worry about.
     
  15. emptym

    emptym Senior member Moderator

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    Thanks guys. That is a good thought: If it's survived this long, how bad could it be? I've considered that, but then I have that image of a kid with a severe cut/severed limb flash into my head.

    Man, houses are a pita.

    We decided on DXV tub, sink, and toilet. Kohler Finial sink and tub fixtures. Relative the (crazy) total for the renovation, we figured a little extra for better-made stuff made sense.
     
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  16. sugarbutch

    sugarbutch Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    They are a PITA. But occasionally worth it.

    I wouldn't worry about the windows unless they're at a height where a kid could run/fall into them. In which case I'd worry about drunk adults doing the same... :)
     
  17. jcman311

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    There was a This Old House show where they recently did this. They showed the guys coming in and fixing all the weight ropes and fixing up the old windows so that they all functioned again. They also said what you said about price and being competitive with a new window. I never knew it could be done and for a good price.
     
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  18. SkinnyGoomba

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    I can see where their process may lend itself to a better result. If they are experts in plaster work I would just let them do as they suggest.
     
  19. Ataturk

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    So I've hardly been bit by a mosquito all year. But it turns out no one else has, either. The City seems to have doubled the mosquito truck rounds (I guess because of zika) and maybe other efforts as well. It's practically eliminated the buggers.

    I sure do appreciate the local politicians taking a hit from their usual pilfering to do something for the community.

     
  20. poorsod

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    Anyone with experience with Harrington Brass or Waterworks Bath fixtures? Are the worth the $$$?
     

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