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Why do we do this to ourselves? Houses are nothing but money sinks and frustration.
in general they are 75% headache and 25% enjoyment. Not sure which way that tilts if you DIY vs calling someone in for every little thing.
 

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good point.

I am going to get a quote on a tankless gas heater since the gas main is so close, but I am pretty sold on the hybrid electric. I'm betting the install cost for the gas tankless will still be 4 figures+ since they'll need to duct the exhaust somewhere.
Tankless will almost certainly be cheaper in the long-run. Electric is so much more expensive to run. As an example, we swapped out our electric dryer for a gas dryer, and it probably netted us $5-10/mo in energy savings.
 

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good point.

I am going to get a quote on a tankless gas heater since the gas main is so close, but I am pretty sold on the hybrid electric. I'm betting the install cost for the gas tankless will still be 4 figures+ since they'll need to duct the exhaust somewhere.
We had a tankless installed at out last house, for just hot water and it was about 3.5k

We had tankless I stalled at this house, bit it was for water AND heating (radiant baseboards) and it cost 8.5k

Just to give you some data points.

Oh, I BELIEVE both units need 3/4 pipe heading into them.
 

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I always have special circumstances.

Just noticed I have 1/2" lines running to the water heater, which probably should be upsized to 3/4". Though, if it ain't broke...
I'm pretty sure 3/4 is code but I haven't looked at a code book for 50 years
good point.

I am going to get a quote on a tankless gas heater since the gas main is so close, but I am pretty sold on the hybrid electric. I'm betting the install cost for the gas tankless will still be 4 figures+ since they'll need to duct the exhaust somewhere.
I just ran the existing gas, elec and water over to an outside wall no duct required
 

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Tankless will almost certainly be cheaper in the long-run. Electric is so much more expensive to run. As an example, we swapped out our electric dryer for a gas dryer, and it probably netted us $5-10/mo in energy savings.
Heat pump (hybrid) electric is the cheapest. About $1500-1600 for a 50 gal unit, but it costs about 1/3 of a standard electric to run.

The thing I like about tankless is the convenience of not running out of hot water.
 

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Heat pump (hybrid) electric is the cheapest. About $1500-1600 for a 50 gal unit, but it costs about 1/3 of a standard electric to run.

The thing I like about tankless is the convenience of not running out of hot water.
Yeah, I often just leave my shower running to prove a point, and my gas bill is still about zero.
 

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You should burn a tractor tire in your driveway at the same time to really show Mother Earth who's boss.
Wasting water is how you separate east coast folks from those from western states.
 

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Yeah...my electric bill seems small despite electric water heater and dryer. Thanks plentiful hydro I guess?

My water bill however...fuck.

I was so spoiled by Chicago which still has unmetered water in most residential property. I try to avoid excessive water use, but my one true vice is browsing SF while sitting in the bathroom with a hot shower running....
 

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On that note, I wonder if I can replace my bathroom's exhaust fan with a heater-fan combo (or just get some kind of semi-safe bathroom space heater).

If I could still get the heat and noise, I could get 85% of the experience by just running the water for a minute to boost humidity and then just using the heater.

The exhaust fan is square, but all of the combo units I am seeing at Home Depot are rectangular. I'd be ok doing it if it were a drop in replacement, but I'm not at the point of cutting up the ceiling of my new rental...
 

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Back in the early 90s we had one of those deep multi year droughts in California and I was talking to my mom back in Louisiana about water rationing. She said " Rationing water? We can't get rid of all the damn water we got."
 

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Back in the early 90s we had one of those deep multi year droughts in California and I was talking to my mom back in Louisiana about water rationing. She said " Rationing water? We can't get rid of all the damn water we got."
The first time the difference really hit me was when I had a several-day layover in Bangkok. The shower in the hotel room had the water pressure of an average firehose.
 

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The first time the difference really hit me was when I had a several-day layover in Bangkok. The shower in the hotel room had the water pressure of an average firehose.
I've been to Bangkok weather's about like New Orleans from April to November
 

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