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Scummy agent is kind of glossing over the "Can only be used as a Data House, no other use permitted." bit.
Looks like that listing is for a rental rather than for the sale.

Assuming the current owners were only willing to rent it out to people who would use it as currently set up rather than other purposes. But now that it is for sale, I assume other uses would be fine as long as they meet the zoning/HOA requirements (e.g. you could rebuild/extensively modify into a house if you wanted).
 

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I'm curious what the actual zoning is.
 

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it's in a residential area no? i assume the city's General Plan map shows that property as the same as the surrounding uses.

say it's single family residential. that doesn't imply that the property must be used for that use, it's typically more like a statement of maximum density and intensity. 'bundle of sticks' and all that, land use regulation is a matter of exclusion.

even if the proposed use wasn't allowable on its face a property owner simply makes a case for a variance , arguably the impacts from say traffic are going to be minimal. and so they might have a occupancy that is conditional on exterior architecture etc

our idiot realtor tried telling me oh you can't run a biz from a residence it's not allowed i told him to go read a book
 

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I would have bet any amount of money I'd never hear that phrase again after first semester property class my first year of law school.
I have a masters in urban planning and work in a large municipal planning and economic development office and I don't think I've heard the "bundle of sticks" phrase since the property law class I took about 15 years ago.

'runs with the land' is another good one.
This one I do still hear from time to time.
 

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Bathroom fan conked out. It's only 6 years old. There's still power to the wire harness, so I guess it has to be the motor.
 

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I have a masters in urban planning and work in a large municipal planning and economic development office and I don't think I've heard the "bundle of sticks" phrase since the property law class I took about 15 years ago.
haha well i don't work a planning counter but i do have a masters in urban planning as well , i like to keep it simple !

probably everything that i outlined is first semester stuff,
 

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haha well i don't work a planning counter but i do have a masters in urban planning as well , i like to keep it simple !
Thankfully I don't work a counter either.

I work for a county in Michigan and thanks to our home rule system here, there really isn't much planning done at the county level in terms of zoning or permitting. We get to spend our time on regional transit and trails and environmental stuff which seems a lot more interesting than making sure @Marc Voorhees is getting his permits for all that electrical work he's been doing or dealing with @Piobaire's neighbors complaining that his new outdoor pizza oven is 4" into his required 6 acre setback.

(Actually, I don't even get to work on the environmental stuff and trails stuff as much as I'd like to as most of my time is devoted to economic and workforce development and regional forecasting.)
 

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That setback grows with every re-telling.

:D
 

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Why having two switches? The electrician said it is for convenience so you can leave both the light and fan on and then just control with the wall switch. That totally makes sense, except, in our case, the fans don't have the ability to be separately wired.

Energy wise, I can't see how any modern fan could trip a circuit. If you're buying a new fan, it should really be a DC motor. As an example, the new fan motors draw 3-30W and move 2000-6000 cubic feet of air/minute. Contrast that with your contractor special fan at Home Depot that is 15-70W and moves <2000-3000 cubic feet of air/minute.

On the light side, at most the cheap fans are supporting 3x 60W bulbs, so you'd be at ~250W with the fan motor which should be ~2A and well under the 15A circuit limit.
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seems a lot more interesting than making sure @Marc Voorhees is getting his permits for all that electrical work he's been doing
Fucking narc.
That setback grows with every re-telling.

:D
Most good stories do.
 

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Thankfully I don't work a counter either.

I work for a county in Michigan and thanks to our home rule system here, there really isn't much planning done at the county level in terms of zoning or permitting. We get to spend our time on regional transit and trails and environmental stuff which seems a lot more interesting than making sure @Marc Voorhees is getting his permits for all that electrical work he's been doing or dealing with @Piobaire's neighbors complaining that his new outdoor pizza oven is 4" into his required 6 acre setback.

(Actually, I don't even get to work on the environmental stuff and trails stuff as much as I'd like to as most of my time is devoted to economic and workforce development and regional forecasting.)
sure. that sounds like good work, i've preferred to work the development side of things as well. in fact back when i was working for public agencies i was more on the environmental side of things (i'd come to planning from site design n landscape arch). spent a couple of years in parks design etc, and yes trails. it was really fun. love pushing projects.

will try to sprinkle in some more first-year goodness for our lawyers and planners here n there
 

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