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The great suit style is of Germany my friends

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Roland Loden of Germany, Nov 20, 2007.

  1. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Maybe it's the lighting that makes it look more like Hunter green than Loden green, but I really like Loden Green with that kind of mid 'Oxford' Grey.

    A very nice colour combo in my book.

    More?

    LL

    What's up, buttercup?

    Nice to see you here.
     


  2. Larry Lean

    Larry Lean Senior member

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    Dang, you're quick tonight!

    People will start to talk about us...

    You're still on my 'friends' list, btw, have I made yours yet?

    LL
     


  3. dopey

    dopey Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Dang, you're quick tonight!

    People will start to talk about us...

    You're still on my 'friends' list, btw, have I made yours yet?

    LL


    No. But neither has anyone else, as I suspect it is an advanced feature beyond my ken.
     


  4. Larry Lean

    Larry Lean Senior member

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    No. But neither has anyone else, as I suspect it is an advanced feature beyond my ken.

    That's cool.

    I did like the Loden & Grey combo tho'. ...

    I'm over on our Brother Eric Glennie's thread now lending my support -
    Will either of us live long enough to see him appreciated?


    See ya later,

    LL
     


  5. Joel_Cairo

    Joel_Cairo Senior member

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    I think a lot of Germans were raised to believe that too much cultural pride was a direct link to bad things in the past so many would associate something like this with nazism.
    very true. "patriotism" is a different kind of thing in german context. I know germans who were positively terrified by the sudden ubiquity of American flags here after 9/11 (the lapel pins, the bumper-stickers, the little flags on car antennae which add resistance and reduce gas-mileage, thereby upping consumption of Saudi gas, but I digress). In Germany, if you were to hang the German flag on your front porch, your neighbors would be weirded out.
    It's not like people in Germany are walking around in Waffen SS uniforms.
    I'm actually pretty sure you could find a grey Hugo Boss suit somewhere in germany.
     


  6. Roland Loden of Germany

    Roland Loden of Germany Senior member

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    Where can I order 20 for me and my drum regiment? [​IMG]

    It would be to my pleasant surprise if you could find even one specimen with the craft man ship of this example within the boundaries of your lands. This is not to predict that you do not have wonderful styles of American suits just not those with the German engineering of this.
     


  7. Roland Loden of Germany

    Roland Loden of Germany Senior member

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    There is good reason only strange people (foppish neo-cons) would wear this sort of thing in northern Germany. For many Germans (including myself) this sort of attire stands for reactionary, nationalist, backward retardation.

    Please do not match politik with issues of traditional its such as mixing Bock with Rauchbier as a solution for a spoiled barrel.
     


  8. Siggy

    Siggy Senior member

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    A real Trachtanzug is stylish and tradtional. The silly right-wing political insinuations ascribed to anyone wearing tradtional Southern German/Austrian clothing outside of an alpine cow village are really annoying! The same with anyone over here in Germany who wears Barbour or certain other traditional clothes. Northern Germans and Piefkes shouldn't wear this type of Tracht anyway. [​IMG]

    This suit is not my style but I very much appreciate various Tracht clothing and think it is a shame that it is dying out where it comes from (Baviara & Austria) among the younger crowd.
     


  9. ltontheqt

    ltontheqt Senior member

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    "It was twenty years ago today,
    Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play,
    They've been going in and out of style
    But they've guaranteed to raise a smile."
     


  10. montecristo#4

    montecristo#4 Senior member

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    very true. "patriotism" is a different kind of thing in german context. I know germans who were positively terrified by the sudden ubiquity of American flags here after 9/11 (the lapel pins, the bumper-stickers, the little flags on car antennae which add resistance and reduce gas-mileage, thereby upping consumption of Saudi gas, but I digress). In Germany, if you were to hang the German flag on your front porch, your neighbors would be weirded out.

    I guess you weren't there during the World Cup.
     


  11. epa

    epa Senior member

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    I guess you weren't there during the World Cup.
    LOL
    Actually, I think that the World Cup was seen by many as some kind of turnpoint, when Germans started to feel that they could be patriots again, without feeling guilty about what the generation before them had done in the 40s.
    By the way, this habit of always bringing up the nazis when discussing German clothing is a bit tiring. What would U.S. citizens think if Europeans brought up, for example, Pinochet or the Vietnam war (or some even more recent questionable issues) every time someone started a thread to discuss, for example, Ralph Lauren?
    The "Tracht" discussed above is, in my opinion, a kind of traditional clothing that really looks great also for everyday wear, in the right environment, including "modern" cities like Munich.
    Obviously, it may not "travel" that well. Just like, for example, cowboy boots.
    By the way, southern Germany is not only cows and beer. It is also BMW, Porsche, Mercedes...
     


  12. stilmacher

    stilmacher Senior member

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    People often confuse guilt with responsibility. I don't feel guilty and every German my age who does should go and see someone. What I do feel is a sense of historic responsibility. This responsibility is the result of a very concrete awareness of the history of our country. This does not mean that I am not a patriot. I just think that a patriot also has to be commited to constant scepticism and criticism. Patriotism is different to nationalism. In todays united Europe we have less and less room and use for nationalism.

    Back to the dress: As I said, there is nothing wrong with living and nurturing your local culture. However, for a northern German a Tracht is NOT local culture but a clear expression of a reactionary (or worse) state of mind. It is also a fact that a vast majority of people wear Tracht as an expression of their conservative lifetsyle.
     


  13. epa

    epa Senior member

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    People often confuse guilt with responsibility. I don't feel guilty and every German my age who does should go and see someone. What I do feel is a sense of historic responsibility. This responsibility is the result of a very concrete awareness of the history of our country. This does not mean that I am not a patriot. I just think that a patriot also has to be commited to constant scepticism and criticism. Patriotism is different to nationalism. In todays united Europe we have less and less room and use for nationalism.

    Back to the dress: As I said, there is nothing wrong with living and nurturing your local culture. However, for a northern German a Tracht is NOT local culture but a clear expression of a reactionary (or worse) state of mind. It is also a fact that a vast majority of people wear Tracht as an expression of their conservative lifetsyle.



    Unfortunately, in Spain we have more and more of nationalism, basically based an invented history and exagerated "peculiarities" of certain regions. For an outsider (a non-Spaniard), this kind of nationalism really appears ridiculous, and one would feel inclined to laugh if it wasn't for the fact that some people actually get killed and/or have their properties destroyed in the name of this nationalism.

    I agree with the difference between guilt and responsability.

    I also agree that a lot of people probably wear a Tracht as an expression of a conservative state of mind. Nothing wrong with that, IMO. To be conservative is far from being a fascist (actually, I have the feeling that the conservative parties in Germany have a much more "social" mind than the conservative party in Spain). Also, I personally think that it is a shame when "leftish" people feel that they have to dress like punks to show that they are not conservative (especially in view of the fact that sometimes dressing as a punk can be as expensive as dressing as a gentleman).
     


  14. lasbar

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    Epa,i do speak spanish and my family is from the Pyrenees and i'm fully aware of the Basque and Catalan question...

    There are some very deep roots to these problems coming from the Franco era when regionalism and local cultures were smashed up by the Franco regime...

    I did notice some tensions especially with the Basques....I do sometimes wind-up some drivers telling them i'm a French Basque and it is working....

    Nationalism is rarely something i do appreciate...I do feel uncomfortable in the States with flags everywhere ....Why? I don't know but the states do need ,with its own massive melting-polt to bring people together ,around the flag more than other older countries where people have a long common history to refer to...
     


  15. Roland Loden of Germany

    Roland Loden of Germany Senior member

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    I would like for the Trachtenanzug to be worn and appreciated by all nationalities with only the conditiion they can find one of the qualitity observed here. My good friend Gökhan who resides in München is of Turkish origin and often wears very fine examples without any difficulty.
     


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