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Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Stazy, Dec 8, 2010.

  1. Crane's

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    LOL. Not until they can run flash!
     
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    Yeah screw that. As much as I love Google, I won't be buying this.

    Lucky you. It's not for sale!
     
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    LOL. Perhaps. The problem lies in having a reliable high speed connection that's available all the time everywhere to get anything of real substance done.
    Could I, just for the sake of discussion get an example of something you don't think you can do work-wise with this, that you think you can do with another laptop? I mean, essentially, doesn't mobile computing always hinge upon having a reliable high speed wireless data connection of some kind to get any work done? You can't send or recieve emails or upload or download data of any kind from ANY laptop without either WiFi, 3G, or LAN. It won't play CRYSIS. Can probably look at porn though. Pretend that google doesn't already know how much porn you look at if you want. But it knows!
     
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    pretty excited. already have a macbook, but if I can get this on a netbook, I'd like it. quick, compact, cheaper hopefully than a mac air.
     
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    It's a damned heavy netbook.
     
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    Could I, just for the sake of discussion get an example of something you don't think you can do work-wise with this, that you think you can do with another laptop? I mean, essentially, doesn't mobile computing always hinge upon having a reliable high speed wireless data connection of some kind to get any work done? You can't send or recieve emails or upload or download data of any kind from ANY laptop without either WiFi, 3G, or LAN.

    It won't play CRYSIS. Can probably look at porn though. Pretend that google doesn't already know how much porn you look at if you want. But it knows!


    Sure, how about post processing RAW camera images and then converting them to CYMK print ready TIFs and then converting those files to web ready images or high res JPGs? How about designing, testing and tweaking a website written in PHP that runs off of a SQL server database? I can do these things on a mediocre laptop without a connection. I doubt you can do either using cloud technology as it stands now.

    For what it's worth this is not new technology at all. This concept has been used in corporate infrastructures for a long time. You're just seeing it coming out of the box and into mainstream use.
     
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    It's free. 3G sucks anyways. Find WiFi.

    This. Or wired: even faster.
     
  8. Tokyo Slim

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    We seem to be switching back and forth a lot between what we are talking about. I'm trying to keep up. Are we talking about this hardware platform designed to beta test the OS, or are we talking about cloud computing? The notebook with "no storage" that I think you were referring to is not a consumer product. Saying you have "virtually no use" for the notebook itself makes little sense or is alternately a "duh" moment, much in the same way as you also have no use for a concept car. Cloud computing, on the other hand, given the two examples you listed, seems like it would be something you'd find highly worthwhile, not useless. The photo processing, cloud storage and backup, batch reformatting, and anywhere editing power of cloud computing is exactly why I want to test this thing out. I'm kind of excited about it actually. In my application to test it, I told them I'd use it to photo and video document my Japan trip and that I'd be using the cloud to store and edit my photos and videos to host on various social media. SQL server and virtualization is something that cloud computing is already being used for in the corporate world
     
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    TS, the device itself has no storage capacity or the ability to run the software required to do what I do. A netbook like an Aspire can and has plenty of storage not to mention it's comparable in size and weight. It can also connect via Wifi and cell to the net so hitting a cloud is no big deal. Why would I want to trade off being able to work offline or in a cloud to a device that cannot do both?

    So you're telling me that Sony has their RAW conversion software setup in cloud mode? What about the Adobe software I use? I'm familiar with plenty of online services that have online photo editing but none of it is even close to what Photoshop does.

    I find certain parts of cloud technology useful and have been using it for nearly a decade already. Like I said this is not anything new in corporate infrastructures.

    While we are talking about pushing data. Do you have any idea how long it takes to upload 8 gig worth of photos? I do. I can convert, post process, organize and decide which ones I want to use and send them to the print lab or post them using a laptop in far less time than it would take to just upload them to a cloud let alone work them in that environment.

    What you see going on here is how you'll get that cell phone sized device that'll eventually replace what we we call the PC today. It'll take years to fully develop and implement. Until then it is a poor choice for me because it is not as capable as what I'm currently using.
     
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    TS, the device itself has no storage capacity or the ability to run the software required to do what I do.
    And the concept car version of most cars don't have air conditioning. I don't understand your point. You are denigrating a black box hardware device built to Beta test an operating system. Do you nitpick a lot of developer grade hardware? Or do you just have some sort of axe to grind?
    How about we compare apples to apples here? How about you tell me what's wrong with the Android dev box, seen below and why nobody will ever use Android phones because their form factor sucks and they have no features. [​IMG]
    How many Apps did the iPhone have before it was released? I'm just curious. Cause you are, at this very moment complaining that there are not enough applications tailored for an operating system that doesn't formally exist yet and won't even have a consumer release until six months from now. By the way, Adobe Photoshop already has a web browser driven cloud app. As I already mentioned. It's limited right now, but it's in BETA.
    So why don't you seem to know anything about it? What consumer level cloud computing apps are you familiar with?
    Anecdotal evidence is nice. You seem to not be very good at thinking outside the box though. Several of these operations can be done in one or two minutes or possibly even seconds with cloud computing. Obviously depending on the scaling and infrastructure available to you in your cloud. So streamline your uploading procedure and let the supercomputer at the other end of your connection do it's job.
    This is wishful thinking. Something that replaces my PC better have a BIGGER screen, not a smaller one.
    Considering that you aren't informed enough to make this decision at the moment, I'd suggest you hold off until the product you are denigrating is actually available.
     
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    I don't live in a place where the internet is reliable enough for this to be viable anytime soon, but I do tend to err on the side of Murphy's Law with these things. Internet down, computer = paperweight. Does anyone doubt that this will come seven minutes before the big presentation that your entire business depends upon?

    I think also - with the exception of Gmail - Google's Apps are still not up to par, and are still generally a little slow for widespread adoption. I use Google Apps occasionally, and for nothing sophisticated, basically because I think that anything sophisticated is above the current power of the software. I mean, there are very few questions posed in the 'Excel questions thread' that Google Apps' spreadsheet software would even have an equivalent solution for...I guess that will come in time though, and in this particular project Google is the first to admit (read brag) that it is ahead of its time.
     
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    I don't live in a place where the internet is reliable enough for this to be viable anytime soon, but I do tend to err on the side of Murphy's Law with these things. Internet down, computer = paperweight. Does anyone doubt that this will come seven minutes before the big presentation that your entire business depends upon?
    Here in the U.S. we generally don't have major internet or phone outages. That sounds like it sucks though. As for the no internet = paperweight thing. That's not really true in all cases. It depends on the software and the situation. You can, for example, edit Google Docs offline. It updates the remote document when you sync.
     
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    It's generally pretty good here. Mostly I am recalling a few years back when the entire pipe-to-Asia went out, it was so weird. People were...wait for it....FAXING! It was a really odd experience living without the internet for a few days and it showed us all how reliant we have become. A cloud based OS will scare me for quite some time, and notably for business applications over the personal.
     
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    im recalling a few years back when the entire pipe-to-Asia went out, it was so weird. People were...wait for it....FAXING! It was a really odd experience living without the internet for a few days and it showed us all how reliant we have become. A cloud based OS will scare me for quite some time, and notably for business applications over the personal.
    I don't think you have to worry about this coming to your neck of the woods for a while. It's not like they are just dropping this without infrastructure. It's being built right now.
     
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    not officially, but it'll pop up in volume in inbound backpacks pretty shortly after it's launch for grey-market resale, and people will be all over it since it's new. Then they'll be whining that it's not working [​IMG] No thoughts on the present inadequacies of Google Apps?
     
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    No thoughts on the present inadequacies of Google Apps?

    Not really. They've had some misses, but they've had some major hits too. For instance, Google Maps is the shit. Gmail is awesome, Voice has potential, even though currently it's kind of meh. Picasa isn't bad.

    Adsense seems to be doing pretty well.
     
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    Could I, just for the sake of discussion get an example of something you don't think you can do work-wise with this, that you think you can do with another laptop? I mean, essentially, doesn't mobile computing always hinge upon having a reliable high speed wireless data connection of some kind to get any work done? You can't send or recieve emails or upload or download data of any kind from ANY laptop without either WiFi, 3G, or LAN. It won't play CRYSIS. Can probably look at porn though. Pretend that google doesn't already know how much porn you look at if you want. But it knows!
    With normal non-cloud computing you can: 1) Do work in applications that don't require an internet connection, such as Adobe or Office programs 2) Save and load those files even if you're out of range of a good connection 3) Look at porn saved on your hard drive. I think it'll be some time before the infrastructure is strong enough to support cloud computing in any meaningful way.
     
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    1) Do work in applications that don't require an internet connection, such as Adobe or Office programs
    But to share them with someone else, either you have to dedicate them to hard media like CD's, flash drives, or whatever, or you get online. Also, since nobody seems to believe me when I say it:
    ^
    We don't know yet how porn will be implemented. You may be able to save it to your computer. I can currently save cloud hosted porn to my computer. My guess is that it will depend on the hardware.
    I guess we'll find out, since everyone else seems to think it's going to be ready for consumers by Q2 2011.
     
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    And the concept car version of most cars don't have air conditioning. I don't understand your point. You are denigrating a black box hardware device built to Beta test an operating system. Do you nitpick a lot of developer grade hardware? Or do you just have some sort of axe to grind?

    No axe to grind. Pretty much what you see is what you'll get when it's released later this year. It's in beta and that is just how it goes.

    How about we compare apples to apples here? How about you tell me what's wrong with the Android dev box, seen below and why nobody will ever use Android phones because their form factor sucks and they have no features.


    No let's not. You are telling me and everyone else that this device is going to be what replaces a laptop PC. This might be true years down the road but not today.

    How many Apps did the iPhone have before it was released? I'm just curious. Cause you are, at this very moment complaining that there are not enough applications tailored for an operating system that doesn't formally exist yet and won't even have a consumer release until six months from now. By the way, Adobe Photoshop already has a web browser driven cloud app. As I already mentioned. It's limited right now, but it's in BETA.

    OK at least you know this is an emerging general consumer technology. How do you know it'll even take off let alone be accepted by the masses? Does the PS app have all the filters and post production add ons I currently use? No. Will it? Perhaps but that's not up to Adobe and relies on whether or not a software company will develop or allow it's technology to be used in a cloud environment.

    So why don't you seem to know anything about it? What consumer level cloud computing apps are you familiar with?

    Plenty but that's not the point is it?

    Anecdotal evidence is nice. You seem to not be very good at thinking outside the box though. Several of these operations can be done in one or two minutes or possibly even seconds with cloud computing. Obviously depending on the scaling and infrastructure available to you in your cloud. So streamline your uploading procedure and let the supercomputer at the other end of your connection do it's job.

    LOL. It doesn't get any better than a direct ftp link when uploading Slim. The problem is throttled DSL or other shared high speed connections that are currently available. My example is a valid point and one you have yet to address. What's the solution Slim? My own personal redundant T1 or T3 connection?

    This is wishful thinking. Something that replaces my PC better have a BIGGER screen, not a smaller one.

    Um that's not the current trend in technology.

    Considering that you aren't informed enough to make this decision at the moment, I'd suggest you hold off until the product you are denigrating is actually available.

    Then perhaps you should stop telling me how this yet to be released, unproven, technology is so good for me and the answer to all my computer needs.
     
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    No axe to grind. Pretty much what you see is what you'll get when it's released later this year. It's in beta and that is just how it goes.
    I was unaware that you designed Acer and Samsung laptops. I apologize for my insolence. The DEVICE is not in beta. I hoped you understand the difference. But clearly, you don't. That Android dev box I posted earlier was the beta version of the Android G1 by your definition. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
    No, I'm not. In fact, I said quite the opposite.
    It's not going to replace anything, but it's a pretty cool idea. The hardware itself is not really innovative. Basically it's a test bed for increased productivity in native cloud computing.
    YOU are the one who said that.
    What you see going on here is how you'll get that cell phone sized device that'll eventually replace what we we call the PC today.
    I fundamentally disagree that this is happening at all. No "one device" is going to replace the PC. Everything is going to be a PC.
    Well, Youtube seems to be pretty popular.
    I already actually addressed that. Step one: streamline how you do things. Specifically, there are several ways to do that. One is to be more selective with your picture taking. Another is to start by selecting the best or most promising pictures then only uploading them. A third is to upload the pictures to your cloud as you take them and skip the whole transferring them from camera to laptop to internet step altogether.
    Um that's not the current trend in technology.
    Oh really? how many devices came out this year that let you stream digital content to your television?
    Nope, didn't do that either. I am pointing out that it is not "useless" as you said. It's just that you are nearsighted and crotchety and set in your ways and are unable to foresee any practical applications for technology to improve your work flow. [​IMG]
     

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