(bryce330 @ April 24 2005,15:04) I think it is a little opportunistic to call America a civilisation, the Romans, The Greeks, The Byzantines, The Aztecs, and The Bedouin were/are, not America yet, by any stretch of the imagination. Even the English and French have not reached that yet; I cannot see how America can have. I hope this post was a joke. Perhaps if we are looking at your pride. But no, it was not a joke, America is not a civilisation, nor is the UK, nor is any of Europe at this stage, the closest thing to a civilisation in this region are, by definition of the word civilisation, todays Scandinavians. What definition is that, Avnish?