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The Definitive MANBAG Thread, Part II: 2014~

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by rach2jlc, Oct 8, 2014.

  1. Master-Classter

    Master-Classter Well-Known Member

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    I totally respect the kind of work you do and the clients you do it for. That's what it should be, really. I pretty much own almost nothing that's branded in any way. Most of my closet is Uniqlo, Club Monaco, etc, sort of mall level brands, and I add in a few more expensive items here and there like jackets, shoes, and accessories. I'm not suggesting you should change anything about what you do and who you target. When you pick at mainstream brands for not working the way you do, the explanation is that they aren't targeting the same kind of buyer you are. Horses for courses as they say.
     
  2. FromToronto

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    Anyone have experience with Troubadour bags? Looking at the one below in brown:
    http://www.troubadourgoods.com/products/briefcase

    Also, am look at this Bally bag, hoping it will go on sale:
    http://www.saksfifthavenue.com/main/ProductDetail.jsp?PRODUCT<>prd_id=845524446744981

    Also looked at this Opperman bag, love the design but given mixed review I'm hesitant go go forward with it. Any recommendations on a similar styled bag?
    https://www.oppermann-london.com/products/palissy-briefcase-chocolate-grey

    I know these may be more 'designer' bags, but at the right (sale) price, I think it should be ok?

    If not, I think I'll with with Glaser.
     
  3. Sartolane

    Sartolane New Member

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    I think that there is one important point missing in discussion.

    I believe people buy brands, even if the quality is not worth the price, not only because they desire the brand or the design itself. I wouldn't call it stupidity or ignorance. People just don't have time to explore full and complete information about every single producer, product, and material. There is no possibility to become a specialist in every product you buy everyday. This is why we take shortcuts. The most popular is "This brand is well known and they have their shop in a very crowded shopping mall for years. I see a lot of people are buying from them. So does my friends. And when I saw John wearing their product he looked great! I would look great too."

    However, today most brands are spending more money on marketing to persuade people their products are worth their price, than on producing ones as good as they should be. Tendency to cut costs by lowering quality is so conspicuous to customers, that regardless of marketing effort people are looking for something better. This is why more and more brands offering great products for adequate price are growing. Everlane or Suitsupply are great examples.

    I hope more brands like them will appear.
     
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  4. beyondmars2020

    beyondmars2020 Well-Known Member

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    I received my Oppermann Palissy 25 in navy.

    It looks great. Build is solid. Leather is decent but not as thick as some of the luxury bags I've touched. The bag is roomy enough to fit my laptop and gym gear. Service was excellent.

    Overall, I'm very happy with the purchase. We'll see how it holds up. Most comparable bags cost 2-3x.

    FromToronto - What mixed reviews?
     
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  5. PierpontLeather

    PierpontLeather Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, Master-Classter!

    Where they fall short in x or y, others fall short in a or b. If my system was (anywhere close to) perfect, I wouldn't be so interested in the opinions and insights on here [​IMG]
     
  6. FromToronto

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    It was mostly from reading feedback from this thread. Someone mentioned that they received an Opperman (although they bought from a 3rd party website) that the bag was all scrunched up in a box when it was shopped and the leather as a result never 'recovered'.

    Another person said the leather didn't look too good in quality, referencing the guide here: http://www.styleforum.net/t/354137/leather-quality-and-properties.

    But those were the only 2 'indirect' reviews (as in it wasn't bought from Opperman). Good to hear you've had a good experience.
     
  7. KeyserSoze

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    I saw some of Oppermann bags earlier.
    The reason why reviewed bags were so wrinkled is the leather they sew 25-hour bags from. It's Vachetta from Artigiano tannery. It is durable and decent leather, however too inelastic. The easiest way to explain it, is to compare it to a piece of paper. When you squeeze it, there is no way to make it smooth again. Crease will stay no matter how hard you try.

    There is no reason to worry about briefcase itself, i.e. construction, hardware, and overall durability. However, if they haven't changed anything about the leather, noticeable creases will inevitably appear after some time.

    I assume wrinkles were so conspicuous for reviewers you wrote about, because bag wasn't properly packaged during shipment, i.e. without sufficient amount of fillers, foam, or bubble wrap. Nevertheless in the long term some wrinkles would appear anyway - it's the nature of the leather they sew bags from.
     
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  8. nepats81

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    How are Alexander wang bags? Considering keeping the Wallie backpack I ordered or the Berkeley duffle
     
  9. FromToronto

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  10. PierpontLeather

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    I actually like the way that the Opperman looks classically, price aside.

    The Troubadour doesn't look super refined, but it has piping along the edges. Also, the way that the shoulder strap weaves through the body of the bag is interesting.

    Opperman is more formal. Also, stitches, on average, are stronger than rivets. Random fact that applies only to the troubadour.



    The Wallie is awesome looking. The Berkeley looks a bit generic, no?
     
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  11. circumspice

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    The strap design on the Troubadour looks fiddly. I am of the mind that if you need a briefcase then you ought to be going classic. That strap design is visual clutter
     
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  12. PierpontLeather

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    Agree.
     
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  13. nepats81

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    I ended up agreeing with you! Sent back the Berkeley. Nice quality and great size for me, but I just felt the wallie looked so unique and special.
     
  14. FromToronto

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    Thanks guys, good point about the clutter from the design of the strap, I haven't thought or considered that. Just thought it was interesting in design.

    The Opperman it is, and saves me about 900cad!
     
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  15. ultravisitor

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    This is exactly the way I feel. (Sorry to be late to the discussion.)

    I have a ridiculous love for Prada's nylon bags. It's not about the branding; I actually wish they'd tone it down a bit a be a bit more like they were in the 80s or 90s. I just really love the way they look--the shapes and what they're made of--and they work with everything I wear. But I've owned Prada stuff in the past, and it hasn't been of the highest quality (my 20-year-old backpack has lasted, though). People say the brand is in decline. The bags are ridiculously expensive.

    Still, at the end of the day, I cannot find any bags from anyone that are exactly like the ones I love from Prada. The closest I've come is Tomas Maier, but I'm not really crazy about the shape of the bag and I can't handle one in person. So I'm stuck. I can either choose to buy another bag that is not as expensive and perhaps of higher quality, but I'll always have my eye on one of the Pradas that I like or I'll always look around for something else that I might like more, which will just lead to more buying. Or I can choose to spend a ton of money on a bag that I love and stop worrying about what else is out there.
     
  16. il_colonnello

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    Yes, nobody does nylon like Miuccia.

    I had a chance today to try on a padded jacket from last fall's "black nylon" collection, and it was all I could do to stop myself from buying it (I have wardrobes full of winter outerwear). Just flicked through pictures of the whole collection on Vogue Runway and damn can nylon look awesome in the hands of a capable designer!

    My advice is, get that bag. Who cares if it's gonna last an eternity, who wants to carry around the same bag for a lifetime anyway. The regrets of getting second preferences are worse, as you seem to suspect yourself.
     
  17. ultravisitor

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    Seriously. As I recently said to another friend (who also happens to love the Prada nylon), I have no idea how or why Miuccia Prada has the great nylon bag on such lockdown. Those kinds of pieces seem like they should be so simple to execute well, but maybe not. It's really kind of amazing.
     
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  18. razl

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    This is some hard won advice. I think I learned it faster than most, but I still burned a lot of time and money on things that were "almost" what I wanted; now I know.

    For me, once I really embraced that, things are actually easier. I'm much more comfortable passing on things that I know aren't exactly what I want and the road to finding the right one is much more enjoyable. Longer, perhaps, but certainly less frustrating.
     
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  19. FromToronto

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  20. rach2jlc

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    Most of their recent bags I've seen are made in Turkey (or at least not in England). I find them wildly, ludicrously overpriced for what they are... though admittedly I like the styling. I've read that they are trying to bring back manufacturing to England to reinforce their history/image... but still you are paying a lot for what is really nothing all that extraordinary. Same as virtually any other "major" brand.
     
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