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The case for black dress shirts?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by moseymosey, Jan 31, 2013.

  1. wojt

    wojt Senior member

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    ^they go with med/dark grey jacket no tie, imo that's a good look if everything else is good (though without a jacket it's just too plain
    )I saw on one blog grey jacket with black gingham and white chino- which was tbh better,
    so perhaps instead of black shirt black/white gingham would be better for casual shirt
     
  2. Erichmax

    Erichmax Well-Known Member

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    What is the firm you work for requires you to wear black dress-shirt, black pants, and black shoes to work? And please don't say get a different job.
     
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    Erichmax Well-Known Member

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  4. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    Then you wear it, just like you'd wear any other uniform. It being required, however, does not make it look good.
     
  5. Erichmax

    Erichmax Well-Known Member

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    Also, no jacket and no tie. Is there some way that I can actually make this look good?
     
  6. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    ^ A black "dress" shirt IMO looks far better without a jacket or a tie, so in that sense you're lucky. A tie should be darker than one's shirt (basically impossible with black) and the jacket just makes things worse. The best way to make it look good is to buy shirts and trousers that fit well. You really can't do too much more than that.
     
  7. Erichmax

    Erichmax Well-Known Member

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    Well, I still have control over the belt and (whether I wear a) watch. Remember, I also gotta wear black pants and shoes too. So could I add some color to it or does the being entirely dressed in black looks better?
     
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  8. archibaldleach

    archibaldleach Senior member

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    At that point, I think all black is going to look better than any subtle changes you could execute. Black belt too and shine your shoes well.
     
  9. msulinski

    msulinski Senior member

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    Don't buy black cotton pants. Go with wool. Not sure why, but cotton does not seem to be able to hold the black dye very well and ends up fading.
     
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    archibaldleach Senior member

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    ^ Excellent point. I find in general that cotton does not take to dark colors as well as wool in the long-term. It is probably most egregious with black, though.
     
  11. RY4N

    RY4N Well-Known Member

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    Noticing the pictures, black seems to hide and obscure the shape of the torso, turning it into a shadow, which I think makes it neither interesting nor flattering. The pictures where it looks the best, are those professionally taken and edited. I think that is where a lot of bad fashion ideas come from. Things look good in stills with perfect lighting, and people try and replicate them.
     
  12. justinjack

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    I think you could wear black, but chances are, you would be wearing something that isn't a straight-up dress shirt. Back in my clubbing days I usually wore black pants and a lighter shirt
     
  13. Svenn

    Svenn Senior member

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    Black, and other dark colors, tend to shrink the area they cover; which I don't think is flattering on men's upper bodies. Black is bad because it's associated with waiters and is kinda plasticky looking, it's very bold. I think charcoal or navy shirts by themselves, sleeves rolled up, can look good; though the onesy/track suit look needs to be avoided. [​IMG]
     
  14. spiermackay

    spiermackay Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Black dress shirts are tough. There is almost no tie that looks good with a black shirt (Rob Ford did not get the memo when he appeared on Kimmel). That said, casually, no tie with the right pair of denim can work as a very casual evening look. AND very rarely with a lighter shade of grey suit, again, casually, open collar.
     
  15. Pope Paul

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    Definitely not a fan of black dress shirt myself but i have to admit that the first picture doesn't look half bad.
     
  16. sstokol

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    Oh yeah a black silk shirt... "damn it feels good to be a gangster" [​IMG]

    No, no, no, no, no.

    No.

    I can certainly accept dark navy, midnight blue. But a black dress shirt. Nah. Black gingham works OK though. Black cotton could also be classic for a specific look (say under a black leather jacket ... rebel). So there will be exceptions to the rule.

    As to the clubbing argument, I went kinda clubbing (bar hopping, dancing, casino hopping) last night and wore dark green chinos and a light coloured chambray... If I felt the need to be dressier, then I would dress up properly.

    To Black Dress Shirt, this guy says YEAH BABY:
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  17. Jukka Leppa

    Jukka Leppa New Member

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    Your color theory is wrong. Black doesn't shrink the area it covers, it only makes that area lose shape, not mass. So what black does is create an area of shapeless volume.

    In my opinion, black dress shirts can work in certain outfits, but require more attention to color and texture combinations. If you are unsure wether you are able to pull it off then quite simply don't.
     
  18. justjoined11

    justjoined11 Senior member

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    Cbf reading the whole thread, anyone got some good leads on a black shirt with black buttons of decent quality, nothing too slim or dressy..
     
  19. Keller

    Keller Senior member

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    a black shirt can work with a rock and roll outfit, other than that I think is difficult to combine with.
     
  20. ElPrincipe

    ElPrincipe Active Member

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    Raylan Givens disagrees:

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    Perhaps you have to have the persona to pull it off. Givens owns the modern cowboy look, and he often wears dark 'dress' shirts (they're not really conventional dress shirts, more like sport shirts worn with unbuttoned collar and slim tie), usually darker blue or navy, with subtle plaids thrown in.

    It definitely falls into the 'smart-casual' category. He completes the look with levis 501 and a dark navy (bordering on charcoal) suit jacket.


    Who said brown looks bad with black? I think it can look good if done right. Take the tie above; brown with a touch of burgundy is certainly a better pairing with the black shirt than the usual awful choices of silver/pastel colours.


    [​IMG]
    Maybe most people can't pull it off, but I think the darker shirt can definitely work in the smart-casual context, even with a tie.
     
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2014

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