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The Architecture Thread

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Connemara, Jan 31, 2009.

  1. StephenHero

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    NO, you fucking moron. I said the only reason he chose concrete over the other structural options is because the pattern. He made two design choices:


    Structural Wall or Curtain Wall? Structural Wall.

    Steel, Wood, or Concrete Mullions? Concrete.
     
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    No, genius, it was your premise.
     
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    My eyes! What is seen cannot be unseen.
     
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    Wow, the stupid just keeps coming.

    We were always talking about a structural wall. Why would you ever consider the supporting qualities of a material if the wall were a curtain?
     
  7. StephenHero

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    Read the first two sentences of the initial post:

    I alluded to his formwork pattern fetish in the first fucking sentence. You just had too little understanding to pick up on it. "Form-making potential" implies ornament. If I didn't mean that, I would have said "exploit its structural potential in a form-making way," which would have implied that concrete was structurally necessary.
     
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    "FLW used concrete mullions to support the roof without a column. The only reason he picked concrete mullions [instead of the several other ways in which he could have accomplished the goal of not having a column] was in order to satisfy his aesthetic fetish for concrete."

    Does that work for you?
     
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    Nothing will work for foo because he's too busy finding ways to be a fucking clown.
     
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    1) I was about to chime in with, "That's your false dichotomy" but Foo beat me to it. At the very least SH should cut Foo some slack because SH accused him of creating a false dichotomy when it was quite reasonable to read SH as having created it. Foo was only working with what SH provided.

    2) I was not going to mention this the other day but I think saying, "...because he was trying to exploit its form-making potential in a structural way that was ahead of the construction technology that was needed in order to pull it off with a gracefulness..." as if he was at fault of something is like applying 21st century Western attitudes to the role of women in the Dark Age society.
     
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    That first sentence says nothing about whether concrete would have been the necessary material to support the roof without a column. It only says the execution was less graceful given the underdevelopment of technology at the time.

    On the other hand, your second sentence quite clearly states that he picked concrete mullions for a specific, structural reason.
     
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    cut it out or i will progressively keep posting more and more awful images
     
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    I think it's more like saying that the designer of the Phaistos Disc was brilliant but ultimately unsuccessful because printable type isn't really a good idea when only 20 people can read and write. In that case culture had to catch up with technology, in the FLW case maybe technology had to catch up with Culture.

    What is with you guys? Are you both willfully obtuse in order to win internet arguments or do you really need everything to be perfectly spelled out for you?
     
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    Yes, because I took it in good faith that nobody would be so fucking stupid as to not realize there is more than one way to hold up a fucking roof. Evidently, I was wrong to assume that, and should have spent an extra sentence explaining rudimentary concepts to you.
     
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    1. Foo created it because he couldn't understand what I was implying, an error it seems you shared. So congrats to you guys.

    2. There are many processes in concrete construction that allow slimmer, stronger concrete components which might have reduced the size of those mullions and made them more graceful, either through better steel reinforcement or chemical additives in the cement, but they require a chemistry degree to understand so it wasn't worth trying to explain what little most architects know about them.
     
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    This was my second choice of comparison.


    I am obtuse due to genetics so I would appreciate if you did not hold that against me.

    Sometimes you have to cater your level of exactitude to the poster. IMO, SH likes to set out grand parameters and then scoffs at the concept of them possibly not being correct. This is not to say I do not enjoy his posts, nor find him less than informative quite often, but he does like to play end off against the middle when one points out that quite possibly he has not laid out the grand unifying theory of Good Taste.
     
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    Sorry buddy, but I think it reflects poorly on you and foo, not SH, when he gives you the benefit of the doubt and you mistakenly identify not having your hand held through an entire argument as a logical flaw with that argument.
     
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    Oh man.

    You think it is likely SH gave the benefit of the doubt to Pio and me (or anyone else)? Things have truly taken a turn for the bizarre.

    He's so obvious.
     
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    By the way, any architect worth his salt wouldn't make fun of "accent lamps" in a rental apartment. The space being unlighted and predetermined means any new tenant is likely to need new lighting to properly suit it. If you have to pick a new lamp, why shouldn't it be one with an aesthetic you enjoy?

    Yet, SH would have us all believe that good design and architecture only happen when people accidentally acquire nine-foot tall bird-shaped beds on the way home from work, in the course of "honest living."

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