StephenHero
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The hope of an incorruptible bureaucracy springs eternal.
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Naive Cynicism -> more corruption -> more Naive Cynicism.The hope of an incorruptible bureaucracy springs eternal.
Haha, I do think you are being overly cynical though, which is probably a product of your living in a particularly selfish country and city. It's clear that much of Western Europe does a better job than the US, and a lot of progress has been made in recent decades.
This is a map of corruption by country:
I think it's possible to culture selfishness out of people and therefore corruption out of societies. After all, cooperation is a positive-sum game.
Oh grow up, you chauvinist. I’m not interested in your petty UK-verus-US bullshit. I told you I’m not even British (not that it would make a difference, although it clearly does to you).
Your first point is a bit contradictory: first you question the validity of the index and then you express unqualified admiration for it. In actual fact, the index is not just an indicator of “perceived” corruption, because it correlates closely with several other discrete measures of corruption. There is a reason why the CPI is the most widely used and respected proxy for corruption. It's obviously not perfect, but which data are?
As to your second point: just because the US improved a shade from 2012 to 2013, it doesn’t change the fact that the US’ numerical score is still worse than almost all of Western Europe. You should have looked at the actual data rather than just glanced at the map. By the way, I chose the 2012 map because I happened to have the data to hand. No reason to falsely and nastily accuse me of being a manipulative liar. In actual fact, relying on either the 2013 or 2012 data points alone would be equally stupid. Looking at the 10-year trend would be required for any real accuracy, but this isn’t a ******* statistics seminar. So why bother with the pedantry? You come across as terribly butthurt about the fact that the USA lags behind Western Europe. You really should have left that kind of tribalistic umbrage in 5th grade.
In any case, your claim about my point being internally inconsistent is thus just flat out wrong, even going by the CPI data alone. But that would be ignoring all of the other data and research which shows pretty unambiguously that regulatory capture is a far graver problem in the US than in Western Europe. Anyone who bothers to do their homework, or even take a cursory glance at Google Scholar, can find out the facts about that on their own. So there’s no point in your vainglorious tribal campaign of blindly defending the US.
As to my musings about the selfishness or individualism of the USA and particularly NYC: they are hardly original, but I never claimed to have evidence for them. Although I will add that I obviously wasn’t referring to innate selfishness but rather to the national culture, which is the product of exactly the “multitude of historical, structural, and other relevant factors” which you mention.
Dog-eat-dog cultures don't foster corruption.
People tend to care quite a bit whether their houses collapse on their families, though.