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The Amazing Blazer Suit

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Manton, Jul 13, 2008.

  1. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Given that matadorpoeta used to have the sig "Michael Jackson is innocent" during Jacko's latest trial, can we agree that he likes to be a bit of an agent provocateur... or a picador, rather than a matador?

    Actually, I too believe that MJ was innocent. Or at least, I am not convinced that he was guilty.
     
  2. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Senior member

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    ...because its not an important detail.

    Dude. pretty easy to take that one as an attack.

    i think anyone who cares enough about the fit of his clothes to have his shirts custom made or mtm would consider proper sleeve length/cuff circumference to be an important detail. i fail to see how mentioning this constitutes an attack.
     
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    This is a great demonstration of versatility (especially because only your tie and trousers change) and the power of colors to project different images. A great guide for someone young like me who is just starting to build his wardrobe.
     
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    i think anyone who cares enough about the fit of his clothes to have his shirts custom made or mtm would consider proper sleeve length/cuff circumference to be an important detail. i fail to see how mentioning this constitutes an attack.

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  5. matadorpoeta

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    matador: Have you heard of this thing called gravity? It pulls things with mass down, toward the earth. Hence when I raise my arm, the sleeve slips down. I guess it does not effect you, something which I surmise is probably a mixed blessing. All my shirts have the same sleeve length and the same cuff diameter. The one you praised is identical to the one you bashed. But this is the Internet, and every photo must show a person's clothes to 100% perfection, or else obviously something is terribly wrong. [​IMG]
    it does not effect me because my cuffs are sufficiently narrow as to hug my wrists without being tight. coupled with a proper sleeve length, my shirts look elegant at all times. of course if you like your shirts the way they are i can't argue with you. i just find it odd that you won't concede that your look is less than ideal or that it is possible to have shirts made which do not fall like yours.
    Given that matadorpoeta used to have the sig "Michael Jackson is innocent" during Jacko's latest trial, can we agree that he likes to be a bit of an agent provocateur... or a picador, rather than a matador?
    i said at the time that if michael jackson were a regular guy i would have no doubts as to his guilt, but since he is such a weirdo, it would not surprise me if he really does simply enjoy the company of children without molesting them. i don't think that is too far fetched given his strangeness.
     
  6. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I find it hard to believe that someone will judge the fit of a shirt from self posed pics, taken in a mirror, with an arm raised, based solely on the how the shirt looks on that raised arm. If poses like that are routine for you, and you are most concerned about looking good so posed, then I guess I can understand it.

    I can also understand that, on the Internet, everyone has to find some fatal flaw in something someone else posts. I find it perverse, but I am aware that it is a fact of life.

    BTW, you have now ignored -- three times -- my explanation. The shirt you praised is identical to the shirt you bashed. How do you explain that? I offered my explanation. What's yours?
     
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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    How does it look with one of the fabulous Mercer OCBDs?

    Good for plane?


    I have worn the Mercers with it; very trad.

    I have also worn this for travel, which was one of the main motivations for getting it in the first place. It's great for long trips. Very comfortable.
     
  9. matadorpoeta

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    I find it hard to believe that someone will judge the fit of a shirt from self posed pics, taken in a mirror, with an arm raised, based solely on the how the shirt looks on that raised arm. If poses like that are routine for you, and you are most concerned about looking good so posed, then I guess I can understand it.

    I can also understand that, on the Internet, everyone has to find some fatal flaw in something someone else posts. I find it perverse, but I am aware that it is a fact of life.

    BTW, you have now ignored -- three times -- my explanation. The shirt you praised is identical to the shirt you bashed. How do you explain that? I offered my explanation. What's yours?


    isn't it just part of styleforum that people post pics of themselves and someone chimes in with "your pants are too long" or "those lapels are too narrow for your shoulders." people don't normally take these as attacks. how is my comment any different? if your sleeve falls like that in these pics it also likely falls when you put glasses on, when you put your hand to your chin, when you put a fork to your mouth, etc...

    the simple answer to your explanation is that your measurements are such that your sleeve might look good, some of the time or most of the time, but they are incorrect as far as insuring that your shirt stays in place. if i were you i would take that set of pictures to your shirtmaker and say, "how can we tweak my measurements so that i always look like the last picture?"
     
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    Not of my aesthetic, given the length of the jacket and lapel size, but certainly an option for a mature look.
     
  11. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    In the real world, the only way to ensure (the word is spelled with an "e", BTW) that your cuff is always exactly on your wrist is to affix it to your person. As much I like precision in my clothes, I am not that particular.

    If you are saying that your shirt cuff always stays in the same place no matter where or how much you move your arms, then you are the only person on earth so lucky.
     
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    This is a great demonstration of versatility (especially because only your tie and trousers change) and the power of colors to project different images. A great guide for someone young like me who is just starting to build his wardrobe.

    Actually, I imagine that someone young just starting out in a corporate environment would want to be cautious of wearing a blazer as a suit jacket. The combination can easily imply that you don't have a proper suit or that you're clueless. This shouldn't necessarily matter aesthetically, but I imagine it could be an issue professionally.

    I'm okay with the brown horn buttons, but I think the three patch pockets make the jacket too jarring as part of a suit. Perhaps it would help if the breast pocket was welted. But I think the concept would work better if there were no patch pockets at all.
     
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    But I think the concept would work better if there were no patch pockets at all.

    That would kill the whole thing. Good grief. A Napoli guy like you should appreciate the virtue of patch pockets on suits.
     
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    isn't it just part of styleforum that people post pics of themselves and someone chimes in with "your pants are too long" or "those lapels are too narrow for your shoulders." people don't normally take these as attacks.

    To be fair, lapel widths and pant lengths are not typically things affected by movement--if you want narrower lapels or shorter pants, you just have them cut that way.

    I'm pretty picky about details, but I do agree that it's a bit much to expect cuffs to stay exactly put under all circumstances. Even the greats (Fred Astaire, the Duke, etc.) can be seen in photos with cuffs stuck in their jacket sleeves. Elegance is a good ideal, but it shouldn't incorporate unrealistic expectations.
     
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    That would kill the whole thing. Good grief.

    Maybe that's just the natural conclusion to your experiment [​IMG].
     
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    Maybe that's just the natural conclusion to your experiment [​IMG].

    A Napoli guy like you should appreciate the virtue of patch pockets on suits.
     
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    Wait, you smell that?
    the simple answer to your explanation is that your measurements are such that your sleeve might look good, some of the time or most of the time, but they are incorrect as far as insuring that your shirt stays in place. if i were you i would take that set of pictures to your shirtmaker and say, "how can we tweak my measurements so that i always look like the last picture?"

    This is absolutely inane.
     
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    Who would have thought that shirt cuff circumference could be so scandalous. [​IMG]
     
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    In the real world, the only way to ensure (the word is spelled with an "e", BTW) that your cuff isa always exactly on your wrist is to affix it to your person. As much I like precision in my clothes, I am not that particular.

    If you are saying that your shirt cuff always stays in the same place no matter where or how much you move your arms, then you are the only person on earth so lucky.


    correction noted. my shirt cuffs don't always stay in the same place, they would have to fit tightly for that, but they do not move that much. i am very particular about the fit of my dress shirts and i thought you were as well, which is why i brought it up.
     
  20. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Not as picky as you, I guess. One less reason to go into therapy.
     

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