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tell me if this would be overtraining

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by bach, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. bach

    bach Senior member

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    wtf happened here? i don't use the internet on weekdays so i can focus on my gpa...

    anyway..
    here's my routine:

    day 1-

    every exercise is 3x12

    bench press
    lat pullback
    machine flys
    trap raise
    triceps
    shoulder press
    curls

    Day 2:

    every exercise is 3x12

    squats
    calves
    deadlifts
    quadricep machine
    hamstring machine
    abs


    what do you guys think about doing days 1 and 2 consecutively, then taking one day of rest?
     
  2. rjmaiorano

    rjmaiorano Senior member

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    ^^ Welcome back. Did we take care of the place for ya? [​IMG]
     
  3. bach

    bach Senior member

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    ^^ Welcome back. Did we take care of the place for ya? [​IMG]

    i said no house parties and mr. sprinkles looks emaciated [​IMG]
     
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  5. bach

    bach Senior member

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    to develop strength/not be skinny.

    i'm 6'3" 175 lbs
     
  6. lefty

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    to develop strength/not be skinny.

    i'm 6'3" 175 lbs


    That program won't do it.

    Look at Cressey's book - Maximum Strength.

    lefty
     
  7. bach

    bach Senior member

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    That program won't do it.

    you're probably right... i feel like i'm doing too many isolation exercises and i really should be focusing on compound movements.

    Look at Cressey's book - Maximum Strength.

    do i really have to read a book? what's the basis of his program?
     
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  9. beasty

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    I believe Cutler got his start as a pegboy for the older IFBB bodybuilders, so it's appropriate language for a young padawan.

    lefty


    You spreading your unfounded rumours again?
    Even if its true, so what?
    Many of the professional sumo champions got their starts from being errand boys of then sumo champions.
     
  10. beasty

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    wtf happened here? i don't use the internet on weekdays so i can focus on my gpa...

    anyway..
    here's my routine:

    day 1-

    every exercise is 3x12

    bench press
    lat pullback
    machine flys
    trap raise
    triceps
    shoulder press
    curls

    Day 2:

    every exercise is 3x12

    squats
    calves
    deadlifts
    quadricep machine
    hamstring machine
    abs


    what do you guys think about doing days 1 and 2 consecutively, then taking one day of rest?


    That means you are training legs and your major upper body part every 3 days.
    Obviously if you are really training hard, you will get fatigue real soon.
    If you are not training hard (and why the hell not?), you can do that routine but your gain would be minimal.

    Your upper body workout should use incline bench, bent over rows, military shoulder presses, universal bar shrugs, close grip bench and barbell curls.
    But if you want to do it properly, you would be exhausted before you even do your shrugs.

    You should train all out all the time. It is no excuse to do your routine 3 X 12 sets especially if you got 1 or 2 years training under your belt. You should use advance techniques all the time like supersets, forced sets etc.

    In short, your split is wrong. You should workout your bodyparts in 3 workouts and work out each bodypart once a week or 6 days.

    BTW at your height, you should be 200 to 220 pounds easy peasy.
     
  11. beasty

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    The most amusing thing about The Imaginaut are his strange, childish, but often-repeated terms of art. "Male boobies" (seriously, I don't think The Imaginaut has ever once said "pec" or "pectoral" unless he was using the name of a specific exercise), "balls to the wall".... It's like watching a five year old overuse a phrase he heard from his older brother. If you put him on ignore, you're missing half the fun.

    You are an idiot as well. You are one of those morons who miss substance over form.
     
  12. beasty

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    you're probably right... i feel like i'm doing too many isolation exercises and i really should be focusing on compound movements.



    do i really have to read a book? what's the basis of his program?


    You got that right! I dont know why you want to do machine flyes. If you wanna do flyes, do dumb flyes which stretches and strengthen your breasts than cable crossovers.

    Doing one thousand arm exercises like triceps extension, preacher machine etc etc are of less use. Just do close grip bench and barbell curls like what I have advised you and go all out and your arms will be so full of blood, that will do.

    When you do full body splits, then you can do more than those 2 arms exercises but those should always be your main core competencies to bulk up the arms.
     
  13. lefty

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    do i really have to read a book? what's the basis of his program?
    Yes. Since you posted a mostly worthless program you have to read a whole book. With small type. Or are you looking for someone to sprinkle magic dust on you? lefty P.S. Are you actually asking what the basis of a program called Maximum Strength is?
     
  14. lefty

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    You spreading your unfounded rumours again?
    Even if its true, so what?
    Many of the professional sumo champions got their starts from being errand boys of then sumo champions.


    It's one thing for a young rikishi to serve up chankonabe to the higher ranked sumotori in his stable and another to oil up and make yourself available.

    lefty
     
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    It's one thing for a young rikishi to serve up chankonabe to the higher ranked sumotori in his stable and another to oil up and make yourself available.

    lefty


    Unfounded rumours! There is no reason for you to assume IFBB pros to be engaged in homosexual activities.
    Many are happily married or divorced to be with another. Woman of course!
     
  16. Grayland

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    If that's true then why do so many crossfit people I see (pics on crossfit.com and founders) look out of shape?

    As a Crossfitter since 2003, I am well aware of the pros and cons of the program. Greg Glassman (founder of CF) has a bad back from his days as a gymnast. He doesn't do Crossfit. Bill Belichek is out of shape too, yet has been the best coach in the NFL since 2000. I wouldn't hold Greg Glassman's physical shape against CF.

    Pros:
    As a 44 year old, I appreciate the brief, intense workouts. With 3 kids, I don't have time to spend 1-2 hours each day working out. CF keeps me in good all-around shape with a minimal investment

    The athletic workouts (o-lifts, sprints, rowing) keep me fairly flexible without a separate stretching program.

    The shorter workouts seem to have excellent carryover to longer cardio events. I haven't run over 4 miles in 20 years, yet finished in the top third of a 15K race this summer using only CF for conditioning.

    Considering how infrequently the heavy lifts come up in the WOD, the poundages lifted are pretty good. I do heavy DL maybe 10 times a year, yet I can DL 2X my BW at any time. 2X bodyweight DL is no great feat (yet I see very few guys who can do it), but those who DL more than that are working at it a lot more and usually can't run worth a crap.

    Looking like you're in shape often has little to do with actually being in shape. Dan John says that the most important muscles are those you need a mirror to see (back, butt, hips). Most people spend 90% of their time pumping up their pecs and biceps. I see way too many peacocks strutting around the gym who look very imposing yet can't squat or DL nearly what I can.

    Cons
    The cult mentality. Jesus, it drives me nuts! The (CF) forum squashes any serious questions about the effectiveness of CF.

    I don't find that it necessarily builds "bodybuilding" type muscle. Now, to be honest, I have never been able to put on much mass in my chest or arms. I'm not blessed in those areas which is what 99% of most guys want. CF rarely does heavy bench presses and never curls. They do a decent amount of dips (usually ring dips) and does an incredible amount of pull-ups, but my chest or biceps haven't seen much difference. Of course, my chest and biceps didn't see much difference when I did regular type workouts either. Since most guys want to look like bodybuilders, I would say that CF is not the best way to get there.

    CF is a yuppie sport. Look at the pictures of the CF certifications. They look like a Republican convention. 99% white and many over the age of 35. These are people who don't think twice of paying $1000 to go to a CF certification for 2 days or paying $150 a month to workout at a CF affiliate. EDIT: what I mean by this is that I think one of the weaknesses of CF is that it's such a homogeneous group and doesn't look for/easily accept other ways of doing things. It's talk radio mentality: you hang out with a group of people who believe exactly what you believe, so you find it hard to believe that there is a whole world out there with different beliefs.
     
  17. lefty

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    Unfounded rumours! There is no reason for you to assume IFBB pros to be engaged in homosexual activities.
    Many are happily married or divorced to be with another. Woman of course!


    When one achieves a masculine god-like stature, what mere woman could possibly suffice?

    lefty
     
  18. beasty

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    When one achieves a masculine god-like stature, what mere woman could possibly suffice?

    lefty


    Based on this post, I can safely assume your post on Jay being a peg boy is just a malicious rumour started by you for God knows what rationale. For shame!!!

    To answer your post, which many would beg me not to, I can say Ms Olympia or Ms Olympia Fitness participants.
     
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    To answer your post, which many would beg me not to, I can say Ms Olympia or Ms Olympia Fitness participants.


    You'd think so, but then how does one explain the male only action after the Arnold BB comp?

    lefty
     
  20. beasty

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    You'd think so, but then how does one explain the male only action after the Arnold BB comp?

    lefty


    What on earth are you on about now? Which one are you referring to?
     

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