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Technology Climax.

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by LabelKing, Jun 25, 2007.

  1. Nantucket Red

    Nantucket Red Senior member

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    Power steering and power brakes are over-rated.

    You wouldn't think so if you had to drive a Packard with a shot gasket for its vaccuum-assist steering and brakes. That said, my brother was able to make a new gasket and completely remedy the situation in a matter of hours.
     
  2. LabelKing

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    I'm up for it if LK is... I guess. My camera is almost definitely inferior, but if we are judging on MERIT, not technical ability... I'm cool.

    A shoot-out as it were.

    I only have very few images on the computer, actually.
     
  3. Nantucket Red

    Nantucket Red Senior member

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    As I pointed out earlier, any images scanned for the web will end up in digital form anyway, so it's a moot point.
     
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    caelte Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    except this isnt a photography war. This is "which is a superior medium"
    No, it's based on TS's statement that it's what you do with medium that counts. ( I don't think either is superior anymore than a car is superior to a motorcycle.)
     
  5. caelte

    caelte Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    As I pointed out earlier, any images scanned for the web will end up in digital form anyway, so it's a moot point.
    Yes, you are right but this is about pointing the camera and making something happen that seems..special. Isn't that what all this is about? Maybe I'm wrong? Is it just about having the best equipment? If it is, what a fugin bore. You can boast about having the best but if you can't do anything with it, what's the point? It will have to viewed at 72 dpi or whatever but that's the limitation.
     
  6. LabelKing

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    You wouldn't think so if you had to drive a Packard with a shot gasket for its vaccuum-assist steering and brakes. That said, my brother was able to make a new gasket and completely remedy the situation in a matter of hours.
    One of the best feeling power-assisted steering I've experienced was the old ZF system in the '60s and '70s Mercedes. That huge bakelite wheel, while looking like a bus wheel, was hugely enjoyable and balanced.
     
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    caelte Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I'd say JetBlast won the shootout. ( Except for those jet trail shots.) He shows that no matter what tech is involved, your born with the ability to make the camera talk. My best photos.
     
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    If you wanted a nimble, fast car with good gas mileage, you could get a Lancia Fulvia.

    But with terrible emissions. A Mazda Miata will do all that faster and cheaper. If you buy the 1st gen Miatas, which are still holding up well, you don't even get power steering.

    I don't see it as a zero-sum game. Electronic augmentation of mechanical systems is the logical and sensible way to do things: you let the mechanical things do the things they do best (hold the car together, provide reaction forces to the road, and generally be the interface to the physical world), and you let the electronics do what they do best (control and feedback systems which need to be fast, flexible, and complicated). One's the brawn, and the other's the brains.

    --Andre
     
  9. Nantucket Red

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    I just paid a visit to Nikon House in Ginza. One gets the impression that if Nikon ever made it, they have it (though I did not see an ELW). I had a brief chat with the proprietor that went something like this:

    Me: This is like a Nikon museum. You have everything!

    Nikon House: (laughs) Well, a lot of people trade in stuff.

    Me: Most people are moving to digital, aren't they?

    Nikon House: Yes, but digital is just another kind of computer game. 80% of our customers use film cameras because film better conveys human feelings. (人間の心を映し出す)

    Me: Well, I think most people these days prefer the convenience of digital.

    Nikon House: Digital is convenient for business because it's fast and anyone can use it. If you're running a business, you really need digital. But for the art of photography, there's no substitute for film. Perhaps that seems a bit anachronistic . . . (laughs).
     
  10. LabelKing

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    That's an interesting conversation. Japan seems to have this great regard for Western historical tradition--witness the cultish devotion to bespoke, Leica, etc.

    I used to have a rather expensive Nikon SP with three lenses and while it was a nice camera, it didn't have the heft or apparent quality of a Leica.
     
  11. Nantucket Red

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    I haven't witnessed any cultish devotion to bespoke here, though I suppose it exists to the extent that the Japanese tend to be single-mindedly devoted to some interest or other.

    I once aspired to becoming a professional photographer, and from the time I was in high school, used a Nikon F2 with a battery of lenses. I also did a great deal of my own darkroom work in both B&W and color.

    I think comparing Nikon to Leica, Nikon represents the ideal combination of quality and versatility for the price, while Leica has always been quality for a premium.
     
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    I haven't witnessed any cultish devotion to bespoke here, though I suppose it exists to the extent that the Japanese tend to be single-mindedly devoted to some interest or other.

    I once aspired to becoming a professional photographer, and from the time I was in high school, used a Nikon F2 with a battery of lenses. I also did a great deal of my own darkroom work in both B&W and color.

    I think comparing Nikon to Leica, Nikon represents the ideal combination of quality and versatility for the price, while Leica has always been quality for a premium.

    My impression of that cult to bespoke mainly stems from all those various personal websites that certain Japanese make, and which are obsessively focussed on their shoes or something.

    I remember you posting a photograph of a Japanese photographer whom I thought rather stylish; I recall he was smoking.
     
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    My impression of that cult to bespoke mainly stems from all those various personal websites that certain Japanese make, and which are obsessively focussed on their shoes or something.

    This is maybe a handful of people out of the entire population. The average person is oblivious to tailored clothes. I was out with my coworkers in Ginza (right down the street from my tailor) last night to celebrate our boss's promotion to Executive Officer. After dinner, a few of us passed a men's clothing shop with an OTR suit in the window for 80,000 yen. The "Team Leader" remarked how "expensive" it was, while I was standing there wearing my bespoke Ginza Tailor suit that cost more than double that, and he was none the wiser. Nice guy, but he wouldn't know quality clothing if it hit him broadside.

    I remember you posting a photograph of a Japanese photographer whom I thought rather stylish; I recall he was smoking.

    I'm trying to recall his name. I certainly recall his photos of Paris in the '30s.

    Another artist who might interest you is Foujita, who is featured in the latest issue of the Patek Philippe magazine.

    [​IMG]
     
  14. caelte

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    I just paid a visit to Nikon House in Ginza. One gets the impression that if Nikon ever made it, they have it (though I did not see an ELW). I had a brief chat with the proprietor that went something like this: Me: This is like a Nikon museum. You have everything! Nikon House: (laughs) Well, a lot of people trade in stuff. Me: Most people are moving to digital, aren't they? Nikon House: Yes, but digital is just another kind of computer game. 80% of our customers use film cameras because film better conveys human feelings. (人間の心を映し出す) Me: Well, I think most people these days prefer the convenience of digital. Nikon House: Digital is convenient for business because it's fast and anyone can use it. If you're running a business, you really need digital. But for the art of photography, there's no substitute for film. Perhaps that seems a bit anachronistic . . . (laughs).
    Does Nikon still make high end film cameras?
     
  15. Nantucket Red

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    Does Nikon still make high end film cameras?

    I believe they announced last year that they no longer will.
     
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    No, it's based on TS's statement that it's what you do with medium that counts.
    This reminds me of a Maria Muldaur song from the 70s:

    It ain't the meat, its the motion
    Its the movement that gives it the sock
     
  17. LabelKing

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    This is maybe a handful of people out of the entire population. The average person is oblivious to tailored clothes. I was out with my coworkers in Ginza (right down the street from my tailor) last night to celebrate our boss's promotion to Executive Officer. After dinner, a few of us passed a men's clothing shop with an OTR suit in the window for 80,000 yen. The "Team Leader" remarked how "expensive" it was, while I was standing there wearing my bespoke Ginza Tailor suit that cost more than double that, and he was none the wiser. Nice guy, but he wouldn't know quality clothing if it hit him broadside. I'm trying to recall his name. I certainly recall his photos of Paris in the '30s. Another artist who might interest you is Foujita, who is featured in the latest issue of the Patek Philippe magazine. [​IMG]
    Yes, what really struck me was how focussed the Japanese become on a certain interest. That's certainly evidenced by all those magazines they publish whether on pens or watches. Foujita I've known for some time; he's certainly interesting in the context of that very fecund period, when it was dominated by Caucasian expatriates.
     
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    I haven't witnessed any cultish devotion to bespoke here, though I suppose it exists to the extent that the Japanese tend to be single-mindedly devoted to some interest or other. I once aspired to becoming a professional photographer, and from the time I was in high school, used a Nikon F2 with a battery of lenses. I also did a great deal of my own darkroom work in both B&W and color. I think comparing Nikon to Leica, Nikon represents the ideal combination of quality and versatility for the price, while Leica has always been quality for a premium.
    I suspect the very high price of the Nikon SP ($3000 for a good body and lens, about what I paid for mine some time ago) is due to the relative rarity of the model, and collectors' inflation. Either way, the F-Series is a very good series. The early incarnations--F, F2, F3--are the best, I feel. They've also become something of an icon of the '70s.
     
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    As far as photography is concerned, which is better is answered by a simple question. Can the average person shoot a better picture with a decent digital vs film camera? In my opinion, the answer is a resounding yes, especially with IS and scene settings, and unlimited clicks.

    For more knowledgable users, digital affords all sorts of opportunities to obtain better images by being able to review your shots right after you take them. One additional benefit that hasn't been mentioned is that you can take more pictures thus increasing odds of getting good ones. I was reading about a guy that went to antarctica on a photo-tour. In three weeks he took 8000 pictures. That's not economical with film.
     
  20. caelte

    caelte Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    As far as photography is concerned, which is better is answered by a simple question. Can the average person shoot a better picture with a decent digital vs film camera? In my opinion, the answer is a resounding yes, especially with IS and scene settings, and unlimited clicks. For more knowledgable users, digital affords all sorts of opportunities to obtain better images by being able to review your shots right after you take them. One additional benefit that hasn't been mentioned is that you can take more pictures thus increasing odds of getting good ones. I was reading about a guy that went to antarctica on a photo-tour. In three weeks he took 8000 pictures. That's not economical with film.
    Is an apple better than an orange?
     

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