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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by LabelKing, Jun 25, 2007.

  1. montecristo#4

    montecristo#4 Senior member

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    I could impove on it. It could be cordless and dimmable.

    It could be made of post-consumer recycled renewables!
     


  2. Nantucket Red

    Nantucket Red "Mr. Fashionista"

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    I could impove on it. It could be cordless and dimmable.

    I keep waiting for cordless electricity.
     


  3. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim In Time Out

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    I keep waiting for cordless electricity.

    I have two words for you buddy... Tesla Effect
     


  4. Brian SD

    Brian SD Moderator

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    Good, yes, true

    I'm quite sure you have no idea what you're talking about.

    Because one of the most common sentiments of a maturing person is the fallacy that everything used to be made better than whatever it is we're making today. Sell the fools what they want. Give me my Nikon DSLR, which with a mediocre shot and 5 minutes in photoshop could give you an indistinguishable replica of what your vintage Rolleiflex and Leica collection can do (though I'm not sure why I'd bother, I'd rather pursue my own photographic interests).

    While you seem convinced that you have an objective basis for your argument, I can assure you that for all intents and purposes, a fresh-off-the-assembly-line Scion is safer, more efficient and more reliable than any MB or Porsche from the 60s or 70s. They may not garner the same affection, but from any practical perspective, "superior" would be a more fitting word, not "inferior."

    As an aside:
    Dkzzz, you suck, BLOW UP is a great movie. You totally missed the point if all you could concentrate on is how they wore skinny ties, slim jeans and fitted jackets.
     


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    Quick question - is balloon angioplasty the same thing as a stent?

    They are not synonymous. As the name implies, balloon angioplasty uses an inflatable device that, while deflated, is threaded into an obstructed blood vessel. The device is then inflated, dilating and (hopefully) relieving the obstruction. In the past, that was the only intervention possible during a cardiac catheterization. Then stents were developed. These are expandable tubular supports that, when collapsed, could be insterted into the obstructed blood vessel. After the balloon angioplasty, the collapsed stent could be deployed (expanded) at the site of the previous obstruction, so as to maintain patency. Current stents are "drug eluting", which means that they are impregnated with drugs that prevent reaccumulation of the atherosclerotic plaques that contributed to the original obstruction.
     


  6. Nantucket Red

    Nantucket Red "Mr. Fashionista"

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    I have two words for you buddy... Tesla Effect

    So why hasn't it been commercialized? I want a wireless computer and sound system.
     


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    Bergdorf Goodwill Senior member

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  8. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim In Time Out

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    So why hasn't it been commercialized? I want a wireless computer and sound system.
    Because everyone thought Tesla was crazy. And hippies keep trying to convince people that electrical current waves gives people brain and nut tumors.
     


  9. Nantucket Red

    Nantucket Red "Mr. Fashionista"

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    Because everyone thought Tesla was crazy.

    Even if he was crazy, that doesn't mean he was stupid.
     


  10. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim In Time Out

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    Even if he was crazy, that doesn't mean he was stupid.

    Well the ultimate rule of genius is that the next smartest guy down the IQ chart has to tell everyone what a genius you are. Otherwise everyone else just thinks you are a lunatic.

    Unfortunately for Tesla, the next smartest guy down the IQ chart was Thomas Edison, who basically chose to bury Tesla instead.
     


  11. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    Because one of the most common sentiments of a maturing person is the fallacy that everything used to be made better than whatever it is we're making today. Sell the fools what they want. Give me my Nikon DSLR, which with a mediocre shot and 5 minutes in photoshop could give you an indistinguishable replica of what your vintage Rolleiflex and Leica collection can do (though I'm not sure why I'd bother, I'd rather pursue my own photographic interests). While you seem convinced that you have an objective basis for your argument, I can assure you that for all intents and purposes, a fresh-off-the-assembly-line Scion is safer, more efficient and more reliable than any MB or Porsche from the 60s or 70s. They may not garner the same affection, but from any practical perspective, "superior" would be a more fitting word, not "inferior."
    Considering that the lens quality of those old Leicas and Rolleiflexes surpass the majority of what is made in production today, I'd say there is an inherent advantage as compared to the Photoshopped DSLR photos. I don't know what most of the stuff featured within a fancy DSLR camera is for, but I can bet most of it can be achieved by a few burning and dodging tricks in the darkroom and some adept usage of graded papers, or filters whichever you prefer. Limit what a person uses, and quality can be achieved. That is the exact problem with people these days; they believe they can achieve anything with a minimum of effort--and the effort is not made by the people even, but by their technology. Of course, a fresh off of the assembly line car is going to be more reliable than any 40 year old car. However, that does not mitigate its inherent lack of quality and over-dosage of superfluous features.
     


  12. Nantucket Red

    Nantucket Red "Mr. Fashionista"

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  13. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim In Time Out

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    I don't know what most of the stuff featured within a fancy DSLR camera is for, but I can bet most of it can be achieved by a few burning and dodging tricks in the darkroom and some adept usage of graded papers, or filters whichever you prefer.
    What the hell are you talking about, do you even know? "Most of the stuff featured within a fancy DSLR" is for taking light and making it into an image. Same as any other camera.
     


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    What the hell are you talking about, do you even know? "Most of the stuff featured within a fancy DSLR" is for taking light and making it into an image. Same as any other camera.
    I'm saying that this "perfect Photoshop image" that he is talking about could be achieved with a few simple tricks in the darkroom such as burning and dodging and graded photographic papers; or if you don't like using graded papers, graded filters. Have you done the traditional process? If a DSLR is such a simple camera for the singular purpose of taking an image, then why are there so many functions? What about things like image stabilization? You can do that with film too. It's called masking.
     


  15. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim In Time Out

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    I'm saying that this "perfect Photoshop image" that he is talking about could be achieved with a few simple tricks in the darkroom such as burning and dodging and graded photographic papers; or if you don't like using graded papers, graded filters.

    I think you missed his point entirely.

    Yes, and honestly I found it inferior to digital editing on one very crucial way. You can't see what your change looks like, decide you don't like it and go backwards. Everything you can do in a darkroom, you can do and undo in photoshop.

    What functions specifically are you talking about in a DSLR that you think cheapen it that aren't in film cameras? Optical Image Stabilization has been around quite a bit longer than DSLR's have. Most of the other "functions" are straight analogs of almost any other camera, aperture, ISO sensitivity, shutter speed, etc.
     


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