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Technical Outerwear

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by hendrix, May 23, 2012.

  1. nineohtoo

    nineohtoo Senior member

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    ^Right on for bringing up the WM BLK line in RFT. Some really dope stuff. Any other pics, maybe even of you wearing that? I've only seen the camo NDG fishtail, which I don't think unzips apart like that.

    I'm really happy with the UC M-65 I posted in WAYWT. The tag says It's 100% cotton, but it's treated with something polyurethane based and feels like a hard shell. It's got taped seams with the "we make noise not clothes" slogan throughout and it doesn't have the UC patch on the chest like some of the other versions of it or the leathers from the same time. The darted sleeves is a nice touch too.

    I just need this to complete my technical military jacket trifecta since my current fishtail parka is wool(I've got the TOJ1/MA-1 in goretex):

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  2. London

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    I've had that NDG parka sitting in my closet and never worn it.
     
  3. fps

    fps Well-Known Member

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    The w+h dyntex lined mountain parkas from a few seasons ago are great. I've used one on a bike in Irish rain for years, and aside from looking a little worse for wear it's held up quite well.
     
  4. reedobandito

    reedobandito Senior member

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    Why not?!?! I love mine, really rain repellent. Funky fit, but it's pretty wearable. Have any more NDG pieces on the techier side?
     
  5. fps

    fps Well-Known Member

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    There were a bunch of tech-centric NDG pieces on the UK ebay there a few months back. When the went under they must have gotten rid of some remaining stock in London, as there's often interesting bits floating around over here.
     
  6. Dapp

    Dapp Senior member

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    Sorry if I missed this from before, but how much was it? Looks awesome.
     
  7. g transistor

    g transistor Senior member

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    Not outerwear, but I picked up a Nanamica wind shirt. Pretty cool design, mesh paneling and coolmax fabric. Too bad that still isn't good enough for Georgia summers.
     
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    It's more of just an outer shell I believe. So unless your winters only get like 60 degrees, you'd probably want something more substantial.
     
  10. hendrix

    hendrix Senior member

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    It won't be warm by itself but it will be waterproof and protect you from the wind, and you can always layer underneath to get that warmth.
     
  11. gettoasty

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    Heard mix reviews about the RO padded bomber...

    Check this out, new from AR :drool:
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  12. reedobandito

    reedobandito Senior member

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    R? like what I'm seeing.





    What brands/models do you guys look to for tech footwear? Want something sleek/black/tech fabric, only thing I can think of is Nike Frees or their Flywires.
     
  13. gettoasty

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    Aloha Rag, $2,100

    Get on it Reedo!
     
  14. snowmanxl

    snowmanxl Senior member

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    nonnative, diemme, raf are some options for footwear i guess.
    i guess if you're actually running in them then its a no-go
     
  15. reedobandito

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    Not running lol. Post some pics of tech footwear guys!
     
  16. snowmanxl

    snowmanxl Senior member

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    my raf vandals in nylon :teach:
    i think raf is great for tech apparel. neon colours and all that shiny stuff!

    tons of cool looking nike stuff for a more streetwear tech instead of luxe tech
     
  17. sipang

    sipang Senior member

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    Not down with luxe tech, although the old raf velcro hi are nice. Nikes are the obvious choice, Domapproved too...
     
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  18. hendrix

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    so...Anyone want to have a discussion on the merits of the various technical fabrics?

    The more I read, the less I can understand why any of the smaller labels use Gore-tex. The patent expired years ago. Are we all really slave to a label that much? The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the high quality garment manufacturing factories are somehow tied up with gore-tex. This was hinted at in the article Spatlese kindly linked earlier in the thread. Errolson Hugh certainly seems to think that the details of manufature in Arcteryx (pretty much exclusively Gore-tex) warrant accolade - things like the waterproof zippers, laser cutting, microseams, taping etc etc all contribute to the quality of the garment, even if the starting fabric isn't any better than that of its competitors.

    Some thoughts based partly on my experience, and partly on reading up:

    • Goretex double layer outer shell is very light, very waterproof, if a little delicate. OTOH, it's kinda noisy
    • The gore-tex patent has expired and there are many branded and unbranded companies offering the same or better fabric (DWR coated type) for cheaper than gore tex.
    • From what I understand, Ventile is not as waterproof, but is more hard wearing and is much quieter than the coated (gore-tex type) fabrics. Ventile can become soaked in very, very heavy rain - while it will keep the water out, the fabric itself becomes saturated which can cause you to cool down rapidly.
    • Ventile is also a branded product. There are many other fabrics that work on the same principle; very fine fabric so tightly woven that water droplets can't pass through, but water vapour can. I believe the Ma.strum micro sateen comes under this category. Grenfell fabric is another example. The same general theme; these are usually harder wearing than the DWR type fabrics, don't require re-coating, and are quieter. On the other hand, they are usually not quite as waterproof.
    • The degree to which these things need to be waterproof is far, far overstated, unless you're living under a waterfall. Most of these fabrics will keep you dry in even the strongest of rain.
    • Another thing to keep in mind is that the design of the garment itself can often help with ventilation. This means that some, say waxed or rubber fabric garments can often expel humidity even without being technically breathable. A poncho, for example, has many entry and exit points for air.

    Each product has its strengths and weaknesses. Most will keep you dry, but none of them will keep you warm. The general theme is that, beneath your waterproof breathable outer layer (whichever fabric you spring for), a nice thick insulating layer (a warm knit, for example) will keep you warm, and beneath that a wicking material (e.g. a merino baselayer) will wick away your sweat and keep it from cooling you down when you stop moving. Add in a smock between the insulating and waterproof layers, and it should keep you warm in most places above freezing, so long as you also have appropriate legwear.

    I realise most of you don't care because these are fashion garments, but it's still nice to know how you should wear them in the zombie apocalypse.
     
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  19. fungz0r

    fungz0r Senior member

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    Another good point to bring up with discussing the waterproofness of a fabric is how well it also breathes. From my experience Gore pro shell is pretty much rubber over your body, unless they've changed something recently I can't say it was breathable at all. I only have experience with gore, but right now I've been looking for a new jacket for the rain/snow and I really can't seem to find any better designs than Arcteryx gear, it seems like they've pretty much perfected that niche market, I just wish they offered other fabrics as an option.
     
  20. hendrix

    hendrix Senior member

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    I've found the goretex i've used to be quite breathable, but i've always used a layer in between so I wouldn't really be able to tell.

    snippet from the article that Spatlese linked

    I.e. if you want the technical production advances that brands like Veilance are so good at implementing, it's difficult to access them when you're not using Gore.
     
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