- Dec 15, 2015
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I wear a 32 in the slim chinos, same size for the preorder maritime shorts? Size chart is wonky.
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I also just received the Navy Jacquard California shirt, 44 in my case. It's larger than all my other TS 44s (and I have many). The shoulders fit correctly but it's big and blousy through the body...not the slim/fitted cut that I'm used to from TS. Debating returning it...it really is a beautiful shirt I just wish it fit like my other TS shirts. Hoping this is a one-off problem and that they haven't permanently changed their fit.Got the Navy Jacquard California Shirt in 40 and I was swimming in it. And no 38 in stock. Disappointing as the fabric was great. Seems sizing has increased and that doesn't work for me. I used to take a 40 without fail (Hyde, California, etc.), but the last 2 of 3 shirts have been huge.
No, they are a product of society or societies at large. I never said it had to be MIUSA, in fact I've defended the choice to have things made in Portugal and other places. In the other hand, Made in China carries a bit of a stigma. That's all I was getting at - it's just a bit of a surprise that they would go from US/Canada/Portugal to China. No judgement.Ethics are not an American invention.
This is exactly my experience as well with the size 40. Great in the shoulders, billowy in the chest and arms.I also just received the Navy Jacquard California shirt, 44 in my case. It's larger than all my other TS 44s (and I have many). The shoulders fit correctly but it's big and blousy through the body...not the slim/fitted cut that I'm used to from TS. Debating returning it...it really is a beautiful shirt I just wish it fit like my other TS shirts. Hoping this is a one-off problem and that they haven't permanently changed their fit.
Is the "premier jacket" the Neoshell Hawkins Jacket? If so, there could be basic logistical reasons why they had to manufacture there. Most technical outerwear is made in China, Vietnam (Patagucci), or Canada (Arcteryx, Westcomb). Canada's significantly more expensive, so you're left with the other two for factories to get a Neoshell jacket sewn and taped up.So here's a thing...the "premier jacket" is...made in China... I've been all for ethically made in places outside the US, but I never expected China.
Hi @summersteve - thank you for responding. I will DM you will specific details (nothing upsetting - just minor delivery/notification things). As far as China... I think that was blown out of proportion. I absolutely have no problem with TS's choice of manufacturer. My comment was entirely about how in previous years, there was a conversation about the shift from purely US-made to US plus Portugal (and some Canada). This year we saw something we saw similar things from Canada (Albion) and a (in opinion) hybrid/modification of the Meridian (as the Hawkins). I actually like the Hawkins significantly better (from the pictures).Hey All,
@th3buhbuh feel free to DM with any of the issues you've discussed with Mike.
Regarding China: We set out to make the best jacket we could. This is the same reason we took our suiting and dress shirts to Portugal, and our Chino's to Spain. Simply put, the manufacturing in those respective areas is, in our opinion, superior to stateside manufacturing.
Yes, Made in China carries a stigma, but like many things in life there are two sides to the story. There is certainly bad manufacturing in China, but thankfully we are not forced to work with them. The factories that we have looked at have built full closed loop systems where they purify and recycle their own water, they feed all their workers (sometimes provide clothing and housing as well) and all adhere to fair labor standards. We utilize extensive compliance audits (usually paid for by much larger brands like Patagonia) to make sure of these things.
If anyone has any follow up or would like to discuss in detail feel free to DM me and we can chat as much as you'd like.
Until next time!