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That sums up PF for the most part!

I find newer smart Beta strategies interesting which is why I go down the rabbit hole of quant shop white papers discussing how to compose a fund with both value and momentum factors. I could never implement these on my own as the costs would eat me alive but if I could somehow get access to the ETFs outside of a standard financial adviser I may invest 5-10% of my capital to these strategies.
 

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who are you guys usually go to for smart bets?
 

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Generally you can find cheap S&P and Bond funds at any of the large providers. If you want to get deeper and branch out, I would say Vanguard. They offer a broad array of low cost funds and ETFs but also some more actively managed Smart Beta products. They now offer Momentum, Value, Minimum Volatility, Liquidity, Quality, and a multi-factor product.

State Street offers the Spider products and Blackrock is the largest asset manager so they will also have lower cost products.

I am more for lower cost if you want Beta. No sense in paying over 1% for the S&P which some funds still offer. Active strategies have their place but you have to pay up. Also some of the strategies last a market cycle (10+ years) so it is hard to judge their performance in the short-term but you also have to worry about long-term underperformance if the strategy doesn't work out.
 

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FWIW I don't believe active strategies have any place for retail investors. Some passive vanguard funds are able to attain a positive tracking error on their indices with smart management but that's it

for the most part active funds are a loser's game, but I assumed everyone knew that
 

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FWIW I don't believe active strategies have any place for retail investors. Some passive vanguard funds are able to attain a positive tracking error on their indices with smart management but that's it

for the most part active funds are a loser's game, but I assumed everyone knew that
Say that to my triple leveraged SNAP fund.
 

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I like that retail investors are advised against active products yet we stick pension funds into these vehicles thinking "outperformance" will solve all of our problems.
 

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For a third time, I am back on the $SNAP rollercoaster. I bought in near today's lows. It has worked out for me each of the last two times. Ideally I will be out before earnings release in early Feb, with a stop loss at $12 should it crater from here.
Scalped a ~10%ish return in 4 days, not mad.
 

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