I'm not asking for advice, I just want to talk about the positives and negatives of the company, I'll make my own decision. You make great points. In the northeast at least. That's a good point, but mind you their at two different ends of this, one is for cable TV the other is a better cell phone signal. LOL, I agree with your btw p2, but I thought it would be fun to talk about stocks instead of Jim Cramer and Warren Buffett. You know as an investor that the dividend is actually larger at VZ and probably more resistant to change in a negative way. I checked into Einhorn, he has interesting reasoning, sounds pretty thought out and around what I've been thinking. One of the reasons I like AT&T is because of their growth in China. I dont directly invest in china because I dont feel comfortable with them yet, however I do like American companies growing in China. Just wondering, wat exactly is AT&T doing in China and how much revenue are they getting from foreign operations? I couldn't find it in their 10-k.