suspenders with a tux?

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    I don't believe formal pumps are necessary for black tie—save them for white tie—but patent leather oxfords are a must. Otherwise, with the current ensemble you will look like you've just come from work and have swapped your normal neck tie for a bow tie.

    Here are the headlines:

    -You need a 1 button peak lapel dinner suit,
    -You need waist covering unless you have a low cut dinner jacket that buttons on your trouser waist line (unlikely),
    -You need patent leather oxfords,
    -You need to wear braces (suspenders).

    Do all that, and you will look great. If you don't, you'll look like every other half-wit who doesn't have a clue about black tie.
     


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    so if i already have a bowtie, does the cummerbund have to match specifically? my bowtie is a black satin with herringbone weave. would a regular black satin work?
     


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    You can +1 all you like, I think formal pumps look ridiculous. Velvet slippers, not so bad, but I prefer laceups.

    I prefer laceups also...But PROPER laceups for black tie. Not "work" shoes.
     


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    http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/ca...0734cat9050733 --> Armani Tux, notch lapel. Odds are, most wouldn't consider this a black suit. http://www.josbank.com/menswear/shop...1_10050_101492 --> My mistake, it is a 1 button. The Canali and Abboud I tried on were 2 button. Again, most wouldn't consider this a black suit. Just to clarify, I ordered it with flat-front pants, not the pleats.
    The notch lapel is strongly disfavored for formal wear but is not completely outside the pale. A tuxedo with a two-button jacket is a black suit. Full stop. I am very glad you did not get one. You do need a waist covering though. If you don't want a cummerbund, get a vest, which I think looks better anyway. Formal wear is about tradition and form. It is not about self-expression or discovering your inner-child. If you really want to be a rebel, wear carnelian shirt studs. Having said that, the black tie rules arose, for the most part, because they really do make you look sharp. The suspenders make your pants look much better and the waist covering makes the suspenders almost invisible as it hides the suspender ends. For further information on proper form, I recommend, http://www.blacktieguide.com
    Just to add, this is wrong. You must always have a waist covering with a single-breasted DJ because your jacket will often be unbuttoned. You do not need a waist covering with a double-breasted DJ because your jacket will never be unbuttoned.
     


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    A regular black satin should be fine. Go into the same shop you got your bow tie from with your bowtie and find a cummerbund that is as close as possible.
     


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    The notch lapel is strongly disfavored for formal wear but is not completely outside the pale.

    A tuxedo with a two-button jacket is a black suit. Full stop. I am very glad you did not get one.

    You do need a waist covering though. If you don't want a cummerbund, get a vest, which I think looks better anyway.

    Formal wear is about tradition and form. It is not about self-expression or discovering your inner-child. If you really want to be a rebel, wear carnelian shirt studs.

    Having said that, the black tie rules arose, for the most part, because they really do make you look sharp. The suspenders make your pants look much better and the waist covering makes the suspenders almost invisible as it hides the suspender ends.

    For further information on proper form, I recommend,

    http://www.blacktieguide.com



    Just to add, this is wrong. You must always have a waist covering with a single-breasted DJ because your jacket will often be unbuttoned. You do not need a waist covering with a double-breasted DJ because your jacket will never be unbuttoned.



    thank you for this...wish I had known before I made the purchase. I was under the impression that a notch collar is classic, and therefore, will not go out of style. I guess I would have been correct if talking about the peak. Oh well, at least I will still look good, just slightly improper. Many of the people that will be at the wedding are still wearing square toes, so I'm splitting hairs here at this point in my life. At least i will know for next time when I purchase something more upper-echelon.
     


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    Just to add, this is wrong. You must always have a waist covering with a single-breasted DJ because your jacket will often be unbuttoned. You do not need a waist covering with a double-breasted DJ because your jacket will never be unbuttoned.

    Well if you kept it buttoned while standing up no one would notice. One of the uses of the cummerbund is to cover the "Bermuda Triangle". However, with a buttoning point at your waist this would not arise with no cummerbund. Think James Bond in Casino Royale.

    Obviously, most DJs don't come this way so some form of waist covering is needed.
     


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    Yes, suspenders. http://www.albertthurston.com/categoryfast2.cfm?catid=1

    Some tux pants will have side-tab adjusters, so you can get a snug fit without belts or braces.

    The Boss tux they had also fit, but I wouldn't pay retail for Boss.

    You have made some friends here with that statement ... but if you had said you'd never be caught dead in Boss you';d be in like Flynn.
    I thought a highly polished calfskin cap toe was acceptable, no?
    IMHO, they're fine for a tux.
    I could have purchased the Allen Edmonds formal shoe, the Kendall, at a pretty strong discount, but I just don't like patent leather. I don't like the look or feel of a patent shoe, and I also want my feet to breathe. I normally don't wear black shoes, but the PAs are classic, and I'm sure they will be put to good use when I finish law school.

    I don't like patent leather either. Good choice, IMHO.

    Don't get too flustered by the comments about the notch lapel. It may be "less than perfect" but it't not a hanging offence.

    Oh, and ...

    http://www.blacktieguide.com/
     


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    Bought the suspenders and cummerbund. After seeing everything on together, I am not crazy about the cummerbund, but the suspenders need to be covered. Thanks all for the input.
     


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    For the record, formal and semi-formal dress is not about what you like, it's about tradition. It's a non-military uniform. Ceremonial events like weddings are all about tradition. There is a proper look, with proper pieces and a proper way to wear them. Think of it like Christmas: I may hate putting up a tree every year, but that's the way it's done and it wouldn't be the same without it.
     


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    Bought the suspenders and cummerbund. After seeing everything on together, I am not crazy about the cummerbund, but the suspenders need to be covered. Thanks all for the input.
    Well done! Put a serious shine on those Park Avenues and you will have a black tie rig you can be proud of . . . notch lapel and all. [​IMG] And don't worry, the waist covering is a necessary part of classic black tie. You just aren't used to it. But I promise, it will grow on you
     


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    Get Matt S back in here. Bond is often upheld as a standard for black tie. Most would agree he didn't get it right every time but even given the need to bend somewhat to the whims of the current fashion he's done pretty well over more than 40 years and in that time has never been seen in a cummerbund, and only a waistcoat or a DB maybe twice each.

    For me a cummerbund is just one pointless accessory too much, so if you really don't like it don't bother. Like some of the other finer details, you will only be sniffed at by a tiny minority of SFers and will still outshine all the plebs in Al's Formal rentals!
     


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    For all the forum groupthink against notch-lapel tuxedos, they do have a perfectly respectable pedigree, going back at least as far as the first decade of the 20th century. It is betraying an ignorance of sartorial tradition to say that it is a "suit" or otherwise improper. That said, I still wouldn't want one.

    I too would add that a highly polished captoe shoe like the PA is an acceptable if not first-rate choice for black tie.

    I would further give my assent to the statement that the OP is going to be very well turned out.

    I seem to recall that James Bond did wear a cummerbund in some of the early Sean Connery films, but I could be mistaken.
     


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