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Suspenders or belt

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by LA Guy, Aug 13, 2004.

  1. ernest

    ernest Senior member

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    (ernest @ 25 Aug. 2004, 7:15) How can a classic stuff be old fashioned?
    Very easily. Classics never change, but people do. In time, a classic may fall out of favor for something else. It's all about the environment you live in, and in certain C, a "classic" look can actually hurt your appearance.
    We are talking about business occidental environment. So a classic garment can not become out of fashion in 20 years. In time but not in short time. Braces were rather "in" during 80's in US, were not they? Today they may be less worn but are not out of fashion. A guy wearing braces will not look ridiculious because he wears braces. Everybody should wear braces with tuxedo for exemple.
     
  2. drizzt3117

    drizzt3117 Senior member

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    I don't think that is true, styles can change quickly even in a business environment. For example, double breasted suits can go in and out of style rather quickly.
     
  3. Alias

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    Like I said before, ernest. It depends on your environment. I have seen very few environments in which braces were worn. Most men these days use belts.

    You also don't see many people walking around in tails. Tails are classic garments, yes, but they are not in popular use.

    I draw the distinction between classics I can use and classics I can't. I don't want to wear braces because I don't believe they fit the image I am trying to project. In other words, they are not MY style, style depending upon the individual.
     
  4. ernest

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    (ernest @ 04 Sep. 2004, 06:49) We are talking about business occidental environment. So a classic garment can not become out of fashion in 20 years. In time but not in short time. Braces were rather "in" during 80's in US, were not they? Today they may be less worn but are not out of fashion. A guy wearing braces will not look ridiculious because he wears braces. Everybody should wear braces with tuxedo for exemple.
    Like I said before, ernest. It depends on your environment. I have seen very few environments in which braces were worn. Most men these days use belts. You also don't see many people walking around in tails. Tails are classic garments, yes, but they are not in popular use. I draw the distinction between classics I can use and classics I can't. I don't want to wear braces because I don't believe they fit the image I am trying to project. In other words, they are not MY style, style depending upon the individual.
    But they are not out of fashion
     
  5. ernest

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    Double is not out just too dressy for business
     
  6. drizzt3117

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    I think it depends, generally they are fairly unfashionable at least in this part of the US. In others they may be just fine (if you can get over the Lumburg jokes)
     
  7. Alias

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    Fashion is the prevailing style or custom, as in dress or behavior. That is what "fashion" means in English. Braces are out of fashion. Feel free to visit any business area. Chances are 8 out of 10 men you see are not wearing braces. If someone chooses to wear braces, that's fine with me. I choose not to because I don't like how they look when I'm wearing them. It isn't a matter of them being "classic" or not. There are a lot of "classic" clothes that will definitely look anachronistic in most environments today. Good taste does not mean looking obnoxious, and unfortunately most people today will react to braces as such.
     
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    (ernest @ 05 Sep. 2004, 05:37) But they are not out of fashion
    Fashion is the prevailing style or custom, as in dress or behavior. That is what "fashion" means in English. Braces are out of fashion. Feel free to visit any business area. Chances are 8 out of 10 men you see are not wearing braces. If someone chooses to wear braces, that's fine with me. I choose not to because I don't like how they look when I'm wearing them. It isn't a matter of them being "classic" or not. There are a lot of "classic" clothes that will definitely look anachronistic in most environments today. Good taste does not mean looking obnoxious, and unfortunately most people today will react to braces as such.
    Braces are very classic, not out of fashion and "ok" for business Visit the same business irea. Who is wearing a 7 fold ties? A true bespoke suit? A sea island shirts ? No more people than these wearing braces. Does it mean all theses thing are out of fashion?
     
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    umm, perhaps they are not out of fashion in France, but they certainly are here in the US.
     
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    Will Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It's perhaps overstepping to characterize the Los Angeles area as representative of fashion in the U.S.
     
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    Yes, maybe things are different where you live, but where I live people do not wear braces. Ties aren't out of fashion, 7-fold or not. Suits aren't out of fashion, bespoke or not. Shirts aren't out of fashion, sea island or not. See where I'm getting at? Your comparison is false.
     
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    Braces aren't as prevalent as they were, say, 5 years ago, or during the 80s. I have at least 30 pairs, love to wear them, and haven't worn any of mine in over a year.

    But I hear they're coming back...
     
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    That would be cool if they did. I love how trousers drape when held up by braces.
     
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    True, but except on pensioners, I very seldom see braces being worn.
     
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    May I ask my dumb question for the day?  How does the observer know whether or not one is wearing braces?
     
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    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    By the (very noticeable) absence of a belt on an otherwise well dressed man.
     
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    Since the jacket remains buttoned (I assume.), no one can tell whether the trousers are held up by a belt, braces, or a length of clothesline.  (When seated at table, the napkin provides ample concealment.)  

    What am I missing?
     
  18. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Admin Moderator

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    Sometimes I prefer to wear my jacket open - especially if I am engaging in moderately strenuous activity - weddings, funerals, "functions" (god I hate that word) and other such events often require organizers and their friends and family to get their hands a little dirty. Short of taking off the jacket and rolling up my sleeves, which I've also done on occasion - when audio systems (including support frames) need to be set up, pianos moved, etc..., there are many instances in which a single-breasted jacket might be unbuttoned. When you are wearing your tie loose or going without altogether, for informal events, I prefer my jacket open, period. I don't know, I enjoy suit wearing occasions a *lot* more when I am required to do a little more than just show up.
     
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    LAGuy--

    That'll tell youi how much I know. You didn't strike me as an open-jacket sort of guy. . . .

    Mike
     
  20. LA Guy

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    Hmmm, I'm not sure what to make of this. I'll take it as a compliment - I am a roll up the sleeves and get down to work kind of guy rather than a show up and eat kind of guy. Works up the appetite, if nothing else.
     

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