Superinjunctions

[lovelux2010]

not one for celebrity gossip, but i do find this topic fascinating for freedom of speech reasons..
i just tried to search for the names of these celebrities, etc that have taken out superinjunctions, and i cannot find anywhere on the internet that names these people..

it is quite scary really..
also, because i'm in the UK sites and blogs where i have previously seen names mentioned have been closed, or are no longer visible!

so, am i allowed to write the names of the people i have read have superinjuntions on styleforum?

can i simply write down some names? or will my posts be deleted?

 

[chobochobo]

And why would you want to do that anyway? You know that they're going after Twitter regarding the anonymous account that posted the names, some of which were wrong. Don't drag this site into any trouble for your tabloid gossip disguised as freedom of speech.

 

[Not Ed Harris]

Ah well, with a superinjunction, the existence of the injunction itself is supposed to be secret. Hence us not even knowing (or at least we're not supposed to know) who took out the injunction.

As far as reporting things on here. Don't, just don't. If it's not even safe to be discussing it on twitter, which I can only assume has far more money to be spending on lawyers, it's certainly not safe here. Various lawyers are already on the lookout for breaches of the injunctions and mentioning names could well get this place shut down.

As far as I'm concerned, footballers and whatever can pretty much sleep with whoever they like. It's none of my business and I'm not sure it's yours either (unless you're his wife). This whole "public interest" business need sorted out. It's not news and it demeans all of us to think it's important. Actual cases of moral hypocrisy can maybe be reported, there was that business with Naomi Campbell about 10 years ago. Any sort of malfeasance in public office too. I suppose that one that was named in the House of Lords (now it's out are we allowed to name names?) is a bit of a gray area.

The politicians say the judges shouldn't be making the law, but they don't see fit to actually do anything about it.

 

[MikeDT]

Libelous celebrity gossip ≠ freedom of speech.

 

[lovelux2010]

really suprised at the responses on here..
personally, i feel i have an absolute right to gossip about anyone i choose - celebrity or otherwise.

if we cannot discuss what we choose on forums, facebook, twitter, etc - how are we any different than China???

DSK name is being talked about all over the internet for his alledged affair/****, yet we are not "allowed" to discuss the celebrities who cheat on their spouses, or otherwise.

personally - i think if you live your life in the public eye, if you choose to be a politician or an actor you must accept that there is a trade off - money and fame brings the tabloid press, and means people will discuss your personal life..

if you do not wish to be in the spotlight, dont be! as a democratic society i find it very scary the mantality is - dont post on this thread or elsewhere - that is very scary!

hypothetically speaking, what if someone like Bono (who clarims to wish to help the poor yet dodges taxes in ireland and is worth hundreds of millions) takes out a superinjuntion, then we would not be allowed to discuss his wealth and healthily debate whether or not he is in a position to preach about helping the poor...

anyways, i'm amazed that on this forum we cannot post a name if we wish. its not a knock on styleforum, i'm sure all forums are taking down any threads with the name "superinjunction"..!

 

[lovelux2010]

Originally Posted by chobochobo

And why would you want to do that anyway? You know that they're going after Twitter regarding the anonymous account that posted the names, some of which were wrong. Don't drag this site into any trouble for your tabloid gossip disguised as freedom of speech.

why would i want to discuss a politician, or a celebrity?? many reasons..
could be someone who preaches about "family values" yet is having an affair...
or a politician who claims to be a socialist yet is worth millions..
or someone like arnold, if you stand for something you must lead by example or else you lose all credibility

whenever i vote for someone, i like to discuss with friends their strenghts and weaknesses, and i feel i have an absolute right to do so. no superinjunction will ever stop me from talking about someone, its crazy that the courts think they can enforce such laws in the internet age..

how would you shut down a site in sweden for a UK superinjunction..??...

 

[lovelux2010]

Originally Posted by MikeDT

Libelous celebrity gossip ≠ freedom of speech.

if you look at the list of those named in the superinjunctions, its NOT just celebrities or celebrity gossip.

i cannot use any examples as we no longer have freedom of speach in the uk but this is NOT only about celebrities and not only about celebrity/politicians lives..these injunctions go MUCH deeper!! for example, in the uk we cannot call someone by a certain name (a name of a job) as people control their image through these injunctions

 

[lovelux2010]

here is an example of a non celeb, non "gossip" superinjunction. someone tell me how this is right or normal in a democratic society, please!... its from the guardian, a UK newspaper so i cannot see a reason i should not post this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...nction-banking so if DSK was in the UK, i presume he could take out a superinjunction to stop his name being named? ditto for OJ, etc,etc.. also - any internet sites that name those listed in the superinjunctions are not visible from the UK, just reminds me of my friends in China who cannot access facebook and many other sites that other societies can access.. if anyone could take out superinjuntions or similar and we all have access to privary, then great! for example, i do not want any friends or bars or ANYONE to publish my picture on facebook...yet i know people do. what privacy do i have? NONE! so why should these people in the public spotlight have this privilege? dont suppose anyone agrees with me so i'll shut up!

 

[MikeDT]

Originally Posted by lovelux2010

really suprised at the responses on here.. personally, i feel i have an absolute right to gossip about anyone i choose - celebrity or otherwise.
If people go making comments and statements on the public internet which are considered by those concerned (whether they're celebrities or not) to be untruthful, slanderous and libelous. Don't be too surprised if they take legal action against those concerned.

Originally Posted by lovelux2010

if we cannot discuss what we choose on forums, facebook, twitter, etc - how are we any different than China???
In China it's down to what the government feels like is ok or not, completely different. I should know, I live here.

Originally Posted by lovelux2010

DSK name is being talked about all over the internet for his alledged affair/****, yet we are not "allowed" to discuss the celebrities who cheat on their spouses, or otherwise.
Note 'alleged' and NOT proven guilty in a court of law. So if someone says 'he's a ******' on a forum, blog, Twitter, Facebook or whatever. Again don't be too surprised if legal action is taken.

 

[lovelux2010]

Originally Posted by MikeDT

If people go making comments and statements on the public internet which are considered by those concerned (whether they're celebrities or not) to be untruthful, slanderous and libelous. Don't be too surprised if they take legal action against those concerned.


In China it's down to what the government feels like is ok or not, completely different. I should know, I live here.


Note 'alleged' and NOT proven guilty in a court of law. So if someone says 'he's a ******' on a forum, blog, Twitter, Facebook or whatever. Again don't be too surprised if legal action is taken.


- - - I have not said DSK is a ******, but he certainly stands ACCUSED of ****. Do you not realize, these superinjunctions are the same thing - they relate to allegations. We are not allowed to say _____ MAY HAVE/ALLEGEDLY slept with _____

we are not allowed to call _________ a "banker"

how are my examples different from DSK??? if DSK was in London when the allegations took place, I have no doubt he would have taken out a superinjunction.

also, i can find tons of examples in styleforum or any other forum/twitter/facebook/etc where people make general claims about someone. for example, think of Tiger Woods...people have called him a womanizer, etc etc..even thought these claims are hard to prove or disprove..

anyways, whats your opinion on not being able to call ____ a "banker"...you think this is OK?? how is this example different from the regulations/control the chinese government has on its people?

 

[lovelux2010]

on the BBC right now -
the Sunday Herald (Scotland) is publishing the name of the footballer, as are publications in Mauritius and Spain..

Scotland does not have the same rules as the UK..
so interesting anyways

so can i post about the topic as i am based in the UK?

any lawyers on here who can comment?

 

[MetroStyles]

Dominique Strauss-Kahn
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Is the bogeyman gonna get me now? I'm quakin' in me boots!

 

[HgaleK]

Originally Posted by MetroStyles

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*****'s hard

 

[lovelux2010]

Originally Posted by MetroStyles

Dominique Strauss-Kahn
Dominique Strauss-Kahn
Dominique Strauss-Kahn
Dominique Strauss-Kahn
Dominique Strauss-Kahn
Dominique Strauss-Kahn
Dominique Strauss-Kahn
Dominique Strauss-Kahn

Is the bogeyman gonna get me now? I'm quakin' in me boots!


he does'nt have a superinjunction, so no..the bogeyman wont come get you

but if you post names of those who have a superinjunction, yes - something very bad will happen to you...
i just dont know what that will be

 

[Harold falcon]

I had never heard of the super-injunction. While I abhor celebrity gossip I am resolutely opposed to all forms of media censorship. This is a sad situation for Britain.