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Super Narrow Ties

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Gatsby, Apr 11, 2005.

  1. @riss

    @riss Senior member

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    Yeah, cause that's exactly the demographic that Helmut Lang and Jil Sander design for [​IMG].
     
  2. Brian SD

    Brian SD Senior member

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    There are numerous reasons why I hate the OC:

    I understand wanting to make a few bucks, but some bands who have been appearing on the OC are bands that previously professed disgust with radio and TV play. Pinback, a San Diego band, is such an example. I cannot deny that Pinback would absolutely become famous by word of mouth as their music is touching and you can't stop masses of people from listening to what they like. However, going nearly your entire career as a musician up to this point with a determination not to succumb to commercialization and then suddenly making a switch for a falsely hip TV show (on FOX, of all channels) get's me a little ticked.

    They are watering down any music that's put on the show by bringing it into the context of rich morons in a horribly exaggerated environment. It relates in no way to the struggle the bands face to record and release albums which are guaranteed not even 1,000 sales. No one understands "The Way We Get By," (which was the song used on my blog), they just know that it's OC music - they weren't around when Spoon wasn't by any means a "cool band." They haven't seen Modest Mouse morph dramatically over the past 8 years. They don't even know Super Furry Animals are from Belgium, and they have no idea who Sufjan Stevens is, just that he has a romantic song called "To Be Alone With You."

    If you identify with the people who listen to the aforementioned bands (which I do, +more that the OC has used), it is natural to be defensive, because the group that you identify with is being attacked, and thus it feels necessary to defend your identity. That's really all I'm doing - my little story on my blog is an example of how I feel my disgust is valid. I don't walk every step of my life thinking how much I hate the OC (god that would be miserable), but these kinds of situations are depressing enough to laugh at - I can't wait for the trends to shift and for indie rock to stop being the hip thing in the mainstream. Hell, I don't even listen to a whole lot of indie rock nowadays (partly because of what's going on ), but I went all through my teens being somewhat of a seperationist and listening to music because it made me feel great and was truly affecting to my personality, and I can't help but feel like that taste is being bastardized. I mean, come on, "Good News For People Who Love Bad News?" *sigh*
     
  3. LA Guy

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    Oh, c'mon Brian, dude. Deal. It's not like Paper Denims suddenly became worse because they became more mainstream (same is happening to Yoko Devereaux, Unis, and especially Cloak, btw. Actually, Paper Denim is going downhill, I think, because Scott Morrison left the company, now that I think about it.) I mean, how many people have pieces from the original Cloak collections, which were all about slim dress shirts and pants and slim coats (rather than their current grungy East Village signature look), or even know about it? But who cares?

    Just because a band gets lots of coverage on the O.C. doesn't mean they suddenly suck. In fact, although I think the show sucks, I think that it does a real service by giving really good bands some recognition. And you can't blame the bands for wanting to have more people listening to them and buyng their CDs (or in the case of Hopkins Student, dowloading the songs from the net).

    I think that your reaction is a very natural one for someone who likes to have exclusive tastes (why do you think, really, why I am always scoping out new LA and NYC labels in their first and second seasons and trying to get the scoop on Labels not even fully formed yet. For poor *hipsters*, knowledge, rather than money, is currency. I gotta admit I'm hardly innocent of this type of snobbery myself - just like those guys in High Fidelity.

    However, if we decry the O.C. for promoting Bloc Party, we are just as bad as the guys who decry Saville Row's Gieves and Hawkes for "catering to the masses."


    Counter rant finished.
     
  4. montecristo#4

    montecristo#4 Senior member

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    I think I've found my thin black silk knit tie. Turnbull & Asser, at Neiman Marcus. Classic.
     
  5. j

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    I found a narrow burgundy grenadine tie at a thrift store - I think it was from Brooks Brothers. I'll have to dig it out and check. It's pretty cool though.

    Found a pic of it:
     
  6. j

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    BTW, to the topic in general, I much prefer narrower ties, but not the extremely narrow ones that are fashionable from time to time. I don't see the point of paying for a new "designer" narrow tie though, as I run across plenty of good ones in thrift stores. I wish that people like Chuck and FIH would make a few in narrower widths for us narrow-minded people, though.

    I don't know whether they are "in" or "out". Null vote from me.
     
  7. Brian SD

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    I do care (at least enough to post a medium-length rant on an internet forum). I pretty much explained exactly what upsets me about it and I stand by it... Like I said I'm not freaked out about it all day long. I *do* deal, but willingly admit to the fact that I still hate it. I do not agree that the OC is giving promotions to good bands. What FOX does is advertise on indie websites (how and why the websites are willing to show FOX ads evades me) and get kids to email them their latest indie pop mixtapes. This was at least a year ago, they might have some hired hipster in the office now. Then, they take some excellent music (much else of it quite dispicable) and play it while they promote stupidity, superficiality and plastic-life on Thursday nights.

    I would not use Bloc Party as an example - they're huge in England and it's gonna happen here soon, I've known this from day one. They're being distributed by a major label, and their entire range of music is accessible (and awesome).

    This is different from Pinback. Since Summer in Abaddon's mainstream acceptance (aka the OC), I'd say ... 75% of people that would say they're a Pinback fan are complete tools who haven't heard (or cared) a thing about Rob Crow's pathetically endearing Star Wars fanboydom, or his collabs with other San Diego bands (The Castanets, Black Heart, etc.), or his freak-pop Optigonally Yours, yet they heard it on the OC, and now it's "cool." Nothing I can do about it - sure. *I know* that I'm not a tool, but I still feel as though my identity is being attacked. And like I said, I'm dealing with it - it doesn't pain each and every day of my life. It's not THAT big of a deal and at the end of the day, "Who cares?" is generally my thought. But I still absolutely have an opinion on the matter.
     
  8. Mike C.

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    Lol... I don't know if the laws of physics permit a tie 3" or less to be constructed in a 7-fold. Either way, it would look wayyyy bulky.

    Maybe LAGuy and the guys at Harvard could run the numbers for us.
     
  9. j

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    Right, like how you can only fold a piece of paper in half 7 times or something at the very most no matter how big it starts out.

    I don't need a 7-fold though, just some nice ties made of good silk in a good width would be nice.
     
  10. shoreman1782

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    J - that grenadine looks like it ties an excellent knot. I have a navy grenadine (also narrow) that I like, but it's so thick that nice symmetrical knots are not really possible. Also, for OC music fans,this is pretty articulate.
     
  11. Brian SD

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    Yea, I wish I had Rob Mitchum's writing ability - that is *exactly* what I mean.
     
  12. LA Guy

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    My sentiments exactly, and not just about music. Sure, I wear Yoko Devereaux and Corpus (although both are now officially mainstream, having been featured in Cargo), and Puma Mihara sneakers and Engineered Garment belts (the only one of these brands that still hasn't been featured in Details or Arena, etc... and so really has "indie" cred). But I also wear Seven jeans, because they fit me pretty well. And I don't care if soccer moms across the country are wearing the same brand. Actually, I like soccer moms.
     
  13. Lydia

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    ...well at the end of the day, it depends on how their asses look in the jeans...The thought of a fit soccer mom in tight jeans is somewhat sexy.
     
  14. Brian SD

    Brian SD Senior member

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    (LA Guy @ April 13 2005,13:50) And I don't care if soccer moms across the country are wearing the same brand. Actually, I like soccer moms.
    ...well at the end of the day, it depends on how their asses look in the jeans...The thought of a fit soccer mom in tight jeans is somewhat sexy.
    The thought of ANY fit mom in tight jeans is sexy [​IMG]
     

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