Suit tuxedo hybrid

[andrew96]

What do you guys think of black suits that have tuxedo like cuts and peak lapels being worn with a black bowtie to mimic a tuxedo? Aside from the satin lapel there's no difference. Right?

 

[GBR]

Wrong - a silly cheap skate idea.

The cut of coat should be different - 1 button - and the feel t the whole is very different. Satin stripe to the trousers?

If you really want to, do so but no one will mistake it for a proper evening dress.

 

[GradSchooler]

Generally speaking, a tuxedo should be ventless, single button, peak (or shawl) lapel, with silk facings on the lapels and down the pant leg. Additionally, a tuxedo won't have belt loops, it will have side adjusters, and has fabric covered buttons. Generally speaking, (with the exception of the peak lapel) these are specifically tux features, not suit features.

To someone who doesn't know what they're looking at, a black suit with a bowtie probably won't look very different. But anyone who is even remotely familiar with proper black tie would never be fooled.

It's also fairly ironic that you would choose a picture of a super traditional tux for this post.

 

[andrew96]

Originally Posted by GradSchooler

Generally speaking, a tuxedo should be ventless, single button, peak (or shawl) lapel, with silk facings on the lapels and down the pant leg. Additionally, a tuxedo won't have belt loops, it will have side adjusters, and has fabric covered buttons. Generally speaking, (with the exception of the peak lapel) these are specifically tux features, not suit features. To someone who doesn't know what they're looking at, a black suit with a bowtie probably won't look very different. But anyone who is even remotely familiar with proper black tie would never be fooled. It's also fairly ironic that you would choose a picture of a super traditional tux for this post.
No satin lapel=not super traditional. He's also not wearing a tuxedo shirt.

 

[GradSchooler]

Originally Posted by andrew96

No satin lapel=not super traditional. He's also not wearing a tuxedo shirt.
The tux Bond is wearing in that picture has grosgrain facings. Quite traditional for peak lapels. Not so much for shawl. We weren't talking about the shirt were we.

 

[Matt S]

Originally Posted by andrew96

He's also not wearing a tuxedo shirt.
It's not the most traditional black tie shirt but still acceptable. It has a fly front and the fabric is a waffle weave, similar to pique which is very traditional for a dress shirt. A dress shirt need not have a pleated front. But I don't see why a suit can't have all the details of a dinner suit except for the silk trimmings. Bond's dinner suit above doesn't have covered buttons, though it's not a necessity for a dinner jacket to have covered buttons. Though midnight blue would be a better choice than black.

 

[GradSchooler]

Actually, it does have covered buttons...

don't know why the picture won't show. Go to http://screenmusings.org/CasinoRoyale/pages/CR_1014.htm and check Bond's sleeve.

 

[Omar1223]

who made his suits in the movie?

 

[GradSchooler]

Brioni for Casino Royale. Same people who dressed Brosnan for his films. Tom Ford in Quantum of Solace.

 

[Alex C]

Originally Posted by andrew96

No satin lapel=not super traditional. He's also not wearing a tuxedo shirt.
http://cinematicpassions.files.wordp..._-_bond_22.jpg Is too satin. And the fly-front tux shirt was explained above. The only non traditional thing about Bond's black tie dress in Casino Royal is that he chooses not to cover his waist. http://dandwh.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/craig-tux.jpg

 

[Gibonius]

There are dinner jackets, and then there are dinner jackets. This is the latter.



And wearing a black suit and trying to pass it off as a tux is neither, so best not to try it.

 

[Matt S]

Originally Posted by Alex C

http://cinematicpassions.files.wordp..._-_bond_22.jpg Is too satin. And the fly-front tux shirt was explained above.
I can see the grosgrain ribbing in that picture. The buttons appear to be covered in that picture. There was an article written at the time of the release that stated the buttons were horn. The same article said the dinner suit's facings were grosgrain silk. But it also said in the same sentence that it has ottoman silk trimmings. I trusted the article since costume designer Lindy Hemming was quoted. I'm going to look at the DVD again and try to find some close-ups of the buttons. A close-up of the cuffs of Roger Moore's dinner suit in For Your Eyes Only shows black horn buttons. EDIT: I just looked through the movie and I can definitely see that they are shanked buttons. If the article is right then perhaps the buttons are made of very thick, domed horn and shanked. But I'd suspect someone got the details wrong and the buttons are really just grosgrain-covered. The trousers have horn buttons and maybe the writer took it as all the buttons were horn. I have seen lounge suits with covered buttons, especially on mod suits from the 60s.