Suit Supply Suit -- Age Appropriate?

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  1. Griffyndor

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    I am serious. I have no idea why that would be important. Never heard it before in the context of clothing.
     
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    I know you're responding to another person's post here but - for me, I understand why some people might care about something being locally made, but I don't put much value on it personally.
     
  3. Griffyndor

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    I understand why some people might care about something being locally made. I can't understand why people would care about whether a suit is locally made.
     
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    Some of the same reasons. You might not agree with labor practices in a 3rd world country, for instance. You might think it's important to help out business in your area rather than somewhere you don't know anyone. You might feel like it's a more rewarding experience if you can meet someone who was directly involved in making your suit.
     
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  5. David Reeves

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    Indeed why not a 10k suit? I don't think there is anything wrong with aspiration, its probably something that the west is lacking right now. I think people should aspire to be able to buy or experience fine things in life. TG can obviously afford say a Savile Row suit or a Rubinacci, as an expert on clothing one would think that he would want to wear clothes like that and I would go as far to say he should be wearing clothes like that, given his profession and status.
     
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  6. Griffyndor

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    Only one of those really argues for having a suit locally made (helping out a business in your area). And while that would be a totally reasonable way to select a tailor, I would find it odd if David was suggesting that one should use a local tailor to support someone in their area.
     
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    Great, so why don't you be happy instead of making yourself look foolish by bagging on a great brand and taking shots at highly successful people. Clearly there is plenty of business to go around.
     
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    Just stop, LOL. Truly, you sound foolish.
     
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    Not necessarily. If you do, say, a cooking show, should you use all the most expensive kitchen doo-dads and all the most time-consuming recipes to get the best final product? At the very least, can we agree that someone who shows you how to make the best hamburger using commonly available utensils and no more than 10 minutes is doing something worthwhile and not something immoral?
     
  10. David Reeves

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    Hey I have opinions, this a forum. More interesting than posting things like is it normal my shoes squeak? etc.
     
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    I agree with all of this. I remember two years ago showing up at a factory in New York with all the workers stood outside, it was closed because there was no work. That really hit home to me because up until then I hadn't really seen the effects of the downturn. I don't just fill an order out and email it abroad, I see these people and work with them about three times a week, so they are "real" to me. I am sure many people would be upset if they got fired because their job was outsourced abroad. I don't want to see that happen especially because they are damned good at what they do. I mean would you like to see this lady lose her job? I wouldn't. This may seem dramatic but its a reality.

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    Another reason for making locally is its good for the environment ie less shipping involved in manufacture and delivery of product.

    The bottom line business reason why I use local workers, is because the quality is great, not only that but communication is easier (they speak english) and I can get into that shop or I can see that tailor personally and ensure things get done properly, so its great for quality control and the product at the end of the day.
     
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    OK, but what about the unpictured someone in another community whose job may also depend on my suit order? I understand that the people in your neighborhood may be more important to you. I just don't have that preference. I don't think that makes me a bad person.

    The shipping issue might matter but...on the other hand, you're having fabric shipped over from the UK and Italy, so there's plenty of shipping going on anyway. And making locally could potentially be more energy-intensive.

    The quality issues are real, but I consider them separate from an intrinsic preference for something locally made.
     
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  13. OxxfordSJLINY

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    How much customizing can be done with Suit Supply (who is a MTM tailor) versus MTM tailors such as Hemrajani (AKA mytailor.com) and Modern Tailor? Outside of not having basting fittings like bespoke tailors do, Hemrajani and Modern Tailor have just as much customizing as (if far less hand work than) bespoke tailors such as Caraceni, Rubinacci and Savile Row.

    Yes, Mr. Reeves (or, if you prefer, David), you absolutely are included with Savile Row since that is where you got your career as an artisan started. :)
     
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    I am not saying you are a bad person. It matters to some people and it matters to me, ultimately its my business so what I say goes:D I have given you my honest opinion and perspective, you can disagree with me but you cant change that opinion. Im not going to slap myself on the forehead and start manufacturing in Nepal tomorrow.

    As an experienced producer of clothes I can tell you that shorter supply lines and the ability to actually go into that environment and be involved in process does indeed help quality and final product. I have worked with many factories at many firms over the past 15 years including Zegna, Scabal, Wensum, Cheshire clothing, Belvest, greenfield, Primo and Trinity so I know a bit about working with local and overseas manufacturing.
     
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    I'm not trying to convince you to start manufacturing in Nepal. I'm not even trying to convince anyone to buy a suit that's made in Nepal. I'm just trying to convince you that Tim Gunn doesn't have any moral obligation to promote any kind of product just because it's made in a particular place.
     
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