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Suit Supply Suit -- Age Appropriate?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by bcjohn, Sep 1, 2013.

  1. vida

    vida Senior member

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    David Reeves, what is up with the harsh attitude? I expect more from you.
     
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  2. David Reeves

    David Reeves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I would agree that suit supply is a solid company in terms of what it produces at its price point and I would certainly not begrudge them or anybody success in business. There is certainly a need and a market for suit supply.

    In terms of TG I just think its wrong for someone who is an educator and someone who acts as an expert on fashion to wear clothes like that. It really does remind me of michelin star chefs plugging walmart. If it was a regular guy I wouldn't be so bothered. Someone with his platform should be educating people about the wonderful things that high end makers produce.

    I actually don't agree with celebrities getting paid to wear clothes but thats another issue.

    I just think it cant all boil down to $$$s there has to be some pride, passion and integrity.
     
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  3. Griffyndor

    Griffyndor Senior member

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    Hmmm. Why is locally made important?
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Why? It's not relevant for 95% or more of the population. Most guys are just never going to even dream of spending $2k or more on a suit. Any guys watching the show, or any girls watching the show that might have impact on the clothing decisions of men in their lives, might just be turned off by the idea of a suit costing so much. He might feel that he's doing more good showing how to look good in a $500 suit rather than how much better a $2k+ suit can be. I don't see why he "should" be a shill for quality high end makers any more than he "should" be a shill for quality mid-range makers.
     
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  5. David Reeves

    David Reeves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I'm a real person, I have opinions and views and this is a "forum". Anybody that has ever met me knows I am not a harsh person although I am a rather robust and plain speaking Northerner. I am genuinely passionate about the industry I work in and I do feel that I am not just a businessman, but someone that has responsibilities to that industry.
     
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    For kids? I have several items from bespoke houses, high end italian rtw and also SS. Love all my SS items because they fit off the rack, are pretty good quality and I dont care if someone spills a drink on them! I was sick and tired of cringing at the airport when my 2k jacket went through the scanner. Talking with my local NYC tailor (well known) he is very aware of suit supply and their extreme success as he's losing customers. Main point is this: guys like you are getting beat like a drum by SS because the product they offer for the cost is very very good. There is no magic involved. They have a very good business model and employ an EDLP pricing strategy. The product is good and they used branded fabric. That is why they kick ass.

    With regard to your point with Tim, perhaps he simply likes Suit Supply? I can assure you the demographic who is watching his show/following him are not bespoke customers. What you do (which guys like me and everyone else on this forum covets/respects) is very niche. 98% of folks dont have the time, energy or $ for bespoke. That 98% is whom is paying Tim's salary because that's who is watching his shows and buying his products. What time "owes" the industry is to preach and push better dressing. Price point has nothing to do with that.
     
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    David Reeves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I dont think he should be a shill at all. Why does he have to be paid to wear clothes?

    I know elitism is a bad word now but there is no need to dumb things down for the "95%" I think your just writing people off. I know 2k+ is a lot of money but fine things in life are fantastic they make life worth living, there is nothing wrong with beautiful things and they do not belong to the Elite they can and should be appreciated by everybody.
     
  8. David Reeves

    David Reeves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I'm doing better than ever. The business has doubled every year for the past 4 years. Im wearing a cost price 3k suit and George Cleverley Bespoke shoes right now. God bless the American dream I say. I really mean that.
     
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    David Reeves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Your not serious?
     
  10. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Whether he should be paid to wear clothing is another discussion. Which I'm happy to have, but let's separate that from the discussion over what he should wear.


    You're talking with someone who sees some good in elitism. My reaction is not a part of some socialist manifesto. I have paid that much and more for suits, so you don't have to convince me that it can be worth doing. But there are people who have an interest in looking good but don't want to spend that much money. They need suits too. It's not obvious that seeing how great a $2k suit can be will help you find a better $500 suit. I don't see why it's Tim Gunn's responsibility to show those people how much better a $2k suit is. If he should be showcasing $2k suits, why not $6k suits? Why not $10k suits?
     
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    I am serious. I have no idea why that would be important. Never heard it before in the context of clothing.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I know you're responding to another person's post here but - for me, I understand why some people might care about something being locally made, but I don't put much value on it personally.
     
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    I understand why some people might care about something being locally made. I can't understand why people would care about whether a suit is locally made.
     
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    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Some of the same reasons. You might not agree with labor practices in a 3rd world country, for instance. You might think it's important to help out business in your area rather than somewhere you don't know anyone. You might feel like it's a more rewarding experience if you can meet someone who was directly involved in making your suit.
     
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    Indeed why not a 10k suit? I don't think there is anything wrong with aspiration, its probably something that the west is lacking right now. I think people should aspire to be able to buy or experience fine things in life. TG can obviously afford say a Savile Row suit or a Rubinacci, as an expert on clothing one would think that he would want to wear clothes like that and I would go as far to say he should be wearing clothes like that, given his profession and status.
     
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  16. Griffyndor

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    Only one of those really argues for having a suit locally made (helping out a business in your area). And while that would be a totally reasonable way to select a tailor, I would find it odd if David was suggesting that one should use a local tailor to support someone in their area.
     
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    Great, so why don't you be happy instead of making yourself look foolish by bagging on a great brand and taking shots at highly successful people. Clearly there is plenty of business to go around.
     
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    Just stop, LOL. Truly, you sound foolish.
     
  19. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Not necessarily. If you do, say, a cooking show, should you use all the most expensive kitchen doo-dads and all the most time-consuming recipes to get the best final product? At the very least, can we agree that someone who shows you how to make the best hamburger using commonly available utensils and no more than 10 minutes is doing something worthwhile and not something immoral?
     
  20. David Reeves

    David Reeves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Hey I have opinions, this a forum. More interesting than posting things like is it normal my shoes squeak? etc.
     

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