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suit options around $3,000

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by newyorknoir, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. ryoneo

    ryoneo Senior member

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    The Oxxford 1220 line is pretty slim. I would even say it's even slimmer than some of the Isaia base fits.
     
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  2. newyorknoir

    newyorknoir Senior member

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    I imagine that starting at only $2,500 the 1220 line is considerably lower quality than what Oxxford is known to produce. Would the 1220 line still be greater or as good quality in terms of construction/fabric as an Isaia suit? What really confuses me on here is that people seem to rank Isaia with brands like Canali, Hickey Freeman, Zegna, and Brooks Bros (golden fleece/black fleece).. The prices of these suits differ vastly, so if a $3,000 Isaia suit is only as good as a $1,400 Hickey Freeman suit, why would anyone ever buy Isaia? and lastly, I once read on here that Prada suits are made by Belvest.. I know that people on here don't like Prada—I imagine because the suit is not worth its price—but my sister actually works for them and could get me a considerable discount. That being said, how does Prada rank with the rest of the names that have been mentioned in this thread as far as quality goes? I am less concerned with price so long as it falls within my range, so I just want to make sure that I get the best quality suit for what I can afford—cost is an afterthought. Thanks..
     
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  3. GentryLtd

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    I think you bring up some quality questions, my friend. Most people are going to hate on Prada just because they aren't a suit-maker first. Prada is a fashion house who is most known for its leather, not its suiting prowess. Having said that, I have no experience working with Prada, so I'm not going to bash the quality of their pieces.

    You have to remember that some people may be paying more $$$ for an Isaia (insert Brioni, Belvest, Kiton, etc.) because it's just what the people they surround themselves with do as well. For example, if I took a job in an office where all of my colleagues wore Isaia suits, I would undoubtedly do the same thing, why mess with the status quo?

    To answer your original question though, I really think you should look into a MTM Samuelsohn suit. My clients are blown away time and time again with the quality of their work and at a $3k budget, you could easily get a Zegna fabric if that's important to you. Being young and slim, they have a model that would compliment your silhouette nicely. One thing about Samuelsohn that I'm quick to remind people about is that they have decided to do all the parts that should be done by hand as such but still allow a perfect, unflawed machine construct the parts of the jacket that you want to be more perfect than what the human hand can create.

    If you can give me an idea of what part of NYC you're in, I would be happy to refer you to a small, locally owned store you could frequent that would go above and beyond your expectations to make sure that you're a happy client of theirs. Best luck to you in finding what you are looking for!
     
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  4. dragon8

    dragon8 Senior member

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    I think you should not go by brand name but style and cut and go from there. I personally think Canali and Zegna are very good suitmakers.
     
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  5. dragon8

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    Very true.
     
  6. jeff13007

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    I think the confusion comes when you group different tiers of brands in the same group. Zegna, HF, and not sure about Canali all have different lines within them and i don't really think its fair to group isaia with them. I would put Isaia in the same group as, belvest, D'avenza and partenopea which would be a tier below Brioni/Kiton/Attolini/Oxxford/Zegna Couture. Sorry to the HF and canali fans, they are great suits but i really don't think they should even be in the same group as Zegna mainline and definitely not Isaia. Isaia d'avenza, partenopea are "approaching" the top tier in terms of handwork/fabric but HF and canali are no where near them. Btw you are correct that Prada suits are made by Belvest but only SOME of them are and this is reflected in their price which it why you find some sub 3k and other 4k+(btw not sure if this is still relevant as the last time i heard/seen a belvest made prada suit was some time ago and these things change from time to time). Same with Gucci suits in general the ones closer to 4k are made by Zegna and the cheaper ones are not. Im assuming from your screen name that you live in NYC? All you have to do is go to Saks on the 6th floor they have Zegna, canali, and Isaia there and you can compare them for yourself. And speaking of saks they were on sale last week not sure how long it lasts though.

    PS: this is just my opinion which is only one persons but just check the suit hierarchy thread theres a lot of weird rankings here and there but in general almost no one would rank HF and Canali with Isaia
    http://www.styleforum.net/t/140387/the-styleforum-working-hierarchical-suit-quality-list-sfwhsql
     
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  7. newyorknoir

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    stopped by Oxxford on 56th.. they don't carry the 1220 line :[
     
  8. newyorknoir

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    Yeah, that's who I see when I go there.. nice guy, helpful salesman.
     
  9. jamesny

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    A Zegna suit can easily fetch for 3K however it will depend on the fabric I believe such as a solid navy suit for less than that.
     
  10. TimelesStyle

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    Also depends on what line. Mainline will usually be in the $2k-2,400 range, while the Trofeo goes up a bit from there and Couture will be significantly more.
     
  11. jeff13007

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    Is Trofeo a separate line? I always thought that it was just special fabric for mainline i.e same construction as mainline but better fabric like that 14mil14 for mainline.
     
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    you are right...I think he means the Torino line which is slightly slimmer than the Milano line..
     
  13. jeff13007

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    Wait now I'm really confused. i though Milano etc were just models of Mainline? I.E all the same construction wise just different fits? I though you only get into differences in terms of construction when you compare Zegna mainline to Zegna Couture and everything else is just fabric?
     
  14. jbresler

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    Get an appointment at Martin Greenfield. Your $3k will go radically farther there and the quality (in my opinion, I own a number of items from both MG and Isaia) is far superior.
     
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    The last 5 years that have been three distinct lines within mainline Zegna.. Roma, Milano and Torino.. Roma has been discontinued but was the most forgiving fit.. broader shoulders and chest..the only ones that are left now are the Milano and Torino within Mainline Zegna.. the Milano is slimmer.. natural narrower shoulders, higher armholes, narrower chest... and the Torino fit which is the slimmest and I think is comparable to your RLBL fit.. the only difference from a RLBL is that the shoulders on the torino are natural.. but the armholes are really high.. narrower chest than the Milano and slimmer pants from what the SA at a Zegna store in the bay told me recently..
     
  16. jeff13007

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    Ok and trofeo is just a fabric and not a separate line like Zegna Couture right?
     
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    Exactly.. trafeo, Traveller, e.t.c are all difference fabrics that Zegna uses within their distinct lines..
     
  18. dragon8

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    Trofeo is fabric, a very very good fabric.
     
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    With $3k to burn I would go with Phineas Cole (at $1.5k each) or Samuelsohn, get two suits in navy and dark grey (versatile as odd pieces, not just suit).
     
  20. dragon8

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    Or you can wait for the HK tailors talked about here and get a couple of suits.
     

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