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Suit Buttons on Sleeves

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by iwantstyle, Dec 7, 2004.

  1. iwantstyle

    iwantstyle Member

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    I have noticed recently that a lot of the "trendier" designers (etro, paul smith, etc.) have been placing the buttons on suit sleeves so close that they overlap or "kiss." What do people feel about this? Just a flashy trend, or actually something that is lasting and is suitable for the business world? Thanks a lot.
     


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  3. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    "Kissing" is correct. Too far apart is an indication of lazy or indifferent work. Overlapping is a recent high fashion innovation.
     


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    I'm guessing what he meant was "is this stylish as opposed to fashionable".

    This is only a guess.

    I thought that suit buttons were supposed to "kiss" (i.e., just barely touch) but not overlap (which would seem to be slightly non-functional, in the event you had working buttonholes).  Am I wrong?

    Edit - corrected for punctuation and other things
     


  5. iwantstyle

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    Thanks for the quick responses. What I meant was if I look at established suit makers - brioni, kiton, etc - they usually have buttons that are close, but not overlapping. Etro, Paul Smith, etc., have buttons that overlap. I am getting a suit made and have a choice on which way to go. I will mostly wear my suit to work, so want it to be acceptable in the business world. Suggestions? Thanks again.
     


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    Buttons which touch (kiss) but do not overlap (waterfall) make the most sense, to my way of thinking. How could a button function if it were overlapping its neighbor?
     


  7. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Kissing is correct for all suits, RTW, MTM, or bespoke. Go with kissing, no overlap, no distance.
     


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    Kiton Blazer
     


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    Brian SD Moderator

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    I found an Oxxford blazer (flipped for eBay) at a thrift store probably circa ~95 that had overlapping buttons... I prefer waterfalling for four buttons, and kissing for three.
     


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    I like them overlapping, but it is a bit "forward". There's no reason that overlapping buttons would not be functional, BTW. They only overlap 1/8" or so.
     


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    Anyone have pics of waterfalling buttons?
     


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    preparing a gallery...
     


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    Ok, took some pictures to give an idea of the different options. Zegna, overlapping buttons: [​IMG] Hickey MTM, kissing: [​IMG] Burberry, with spaces btween [​IMG] Flusser bespoke. Â Now, these are kissing, but because the fabric is very thick, they don't lie totally flat, thus it looks like there's some space. [​IMG]
     


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    I vote for the overlap. Can't exactly explain why, just one of those gut reactions.
     


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    I agree, the slightly overlapping buttons look like some thought went into them, as well as the care and attention to make them even. It's a bit of a modern detail that doesn't look out of place on a classic coat, like a high gorge. I think having buttons like this would make it doubly silly to leave one of them unbuttoned.

    Tom
     


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