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Suit - best value suit and where to buy

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by thisguyneedsasuit, Jan 2, 2010.

  1. thisguyneedsasuit

    thisguyneedsasuit Member

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    Thanks. The shoe you posted is the other shoe I was considering. I do feel it is more appropriate. I like that shoe, but it is a little boring to me. Since the first purpose of the shoe is interviews I may just have to go with it even though the other shoe (delray) fits my style better.
     
  2. phxlawstudent

    phxlawstudent Senior member

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    Thanks. The shoe you posted is the other shoe I was considering. I do feel it is more appropriate. I like that shoe, but it is a little boring to me. Since the first purpose of the shoe is interviews I may just have to go with it even though the other shoe (delray) fits my style better.

    The Park Ave is a more formal shoe. Its an oxford/balmoral suitable for town wear/business/more formal wear. The Del Ray is more your style because it is a blucher. Its more informal. The difference is the open throat front over the instep. Aka, how the leather with the holes is attached.

    However, only your fellow style snobs even know the difference.

    The only thing an interviewer may notice is that the toe on the Del Ray has a seam running down the middle. And depending on how well versed he/she is with men's shoes... Well, you get the idea.
     
  3. Matt S

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    Link (sorta).

    Polo suits are the same in outlets as retail.


    Polo suits are not sold in outlets. Lauren suits are sold in the outlet stores, at the same price as in Macy's and Lord & Taylor.
     
  4. Willie5566

    Willie5566 Senior member

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    I checked out some of BB suite's online. What can one expect to pay for altering? Just trying to get the whole picture. Thanks.
     
  5. phxlawstudent

    phxlawstudent Senior member

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    I checked out some of BB suite's online. What can one expect to pay for altering? Just trying to get the whole picture. Thanks.

    Jacket waist suppression: $18-50
    Shorten the sleeves: $10-25
    Shorten pants: same as sleeves
    Pant waist: $10-25


    Prices depend on how many tailors there are in your city and how busy that particular tailor is.
     
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    Jacket waist suppression: $18-50
    Shorten the sleeves: $10-25
    Shorten pants: same as sleeves
    Pant waist: $10-25


    Prices depend on how many tailors there are in your city and how busy that particular tailor is.


    If you are relatively slim and get a Fitzgerald cut, you'll not have to worry much about waist suppression.

    And often Brooks' "in-house" tailors will not charge as much as your own (if they charge at all).
     
  7. jcriswel

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    I am in the market for a new suit. I need to know the best quality suit at an affordable price. I don't want to buy off the internet or go to search through outlet stores and try to get lucky. I prefer a retailer that has the suit readily available. The suit can be $100 dollars or if I get more bang for the buck it can be as much a $500. The price can be the retail price or the sale price the suit is commonly on sale for. I need to know the price, the store, and the brand/line of the suit. Thanks for the help!

    To answer the OP's question, I think Samuelsohn delivers the most bang for the buck. First, their price points are within reason of the ordinary man. Many of you have recommended Huntsman, Rubinacci, etc. I understand your sentiments, but that's a bespoke option and not within reach of 99.99% of men who wish to buy a suit.

    Of the affordable options, Samuelsohn stands alone in my mind for delivering quality construction, style, and affordable price points.


    I don't have the patience to to search the clearance racks. Once I need more then one suit and learn more about suits in general I will start looking at used. I think I have decided on BB or Ralph Lauren if I can get them around $500.
    Would this shoe be appropriate for an interview?
    http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline...ategory=120552


    Alright... you want value. I sincerely believe one of the best places to find value is Sierra Trading Post. Usually, they have a good assortment of Samuelsohn suits and sports jackets. For some reason, their inventory in Samuelsohn is a bit lean now. Arnold Brant is another good Canadian clothing manufacturer. Please consider this from Sierra Trading Post for $358...

    http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/4...a-For-Men.html

    I don't think you're going to find more bang for the buck anywhere.
     
  8. knittieguy

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    Likewise many on here rant against the BB outlets, but I spoke to the manager of the local BB here today and he said he ran an outlet for 8 years and most people can't tell the diff b/t his outlet BB and his retail BB. He said they're having a 40% off sale at the outlet (at least the one near me) and that you can get a good one for $250 or $300. Good luck.

    The fact that the manager of the local BB says most people can't tell the difference between outlet and regular BB means nothing unless you believe that most people can tell the difference between good clothing and junk. The truth is most people in the US can't. So they buy the junk, and then when it loses its shape or starts to fall apart they go buy more new junk.

    I bought a 346 outlet suit once and the pants started to come apart at the seam within a few weeks. For some reason, the suit also just looked so much worse than a suit in the exact same style and size (Olive poplin) that I had bought from the regular store a few years earlier. I ended up donating the 346 model to Goodwill.

    Maybe I just got a bad apple but I still remember once asking a BB outlet store worker what some of the differences were between outlet and regular lines and he mentioned that outlet models have double-needle stitching instead of single. He then said that this meant they were better because there was twice as much stitching.

    I believe that is not a correct statement of the facts, to put it mildly.
     
  9. mkarim

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    most people can't tell the difference between good clothing and junk. The truth is most people in the US can't. So they buy the junk, and then when it loses its shape or starts to fall apart they go buy more new junk.

    +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
     
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    I was told by a guy who is very GQ - well, GQ for Fresno CA, that is... that the look and feel of a great mans suit is demonstrated by:

    Watching Jay Leno and David Letterman monologues. Since you can see them pace around the stage, lift up their arms and walk around, then sit with the suit jacket un=buttoned, that these two guys demonstrate a perfect fit.
     
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    Used. Period.

    After alterations, you can get an Oxxford for under $300. Try and tell me you can find a better deal than that. That Oxxford is going to outlast any fused POS you can get at MW, Macy's, Dillard's, JAB, etc, etc.

    Yes, its used; so if you have some stigma against used clothing your SOL. Go buy new stuff and pay the retailers their huge cut. Best value for your money is probably ebay. I hear Wizard of Aaahs's stuff is great for the price. Fully canvassed w/ pick stitching (prolly machine) for under $300? Pretty darn good.


    edit:

    Didn't read closely enough. Probably due to alcohol consumption.

    Your not going to get a good bang for your dollar if your going to pay retail. Wait for a Joseph A Banks sale and get one of their Executive suits. Thats probably the cheapest and best way to get A suit.


    This is a good point. However, a Signature or Sig. Gold suit at 70% off during one of JAB's sales would be a higher-end choice for around $250-$350.
     
  14. Nicola

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    then sit with the suit jacket un=buttoned, that these two guys demonstrate a perfect fit.

    No.
     
  15. fair and balanc

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    Jos. A Bank is very affordable. But you need to be very specifc witth hem that you want a good suite. I ended up with something I am not happy with.
    Stay away from their most affordable lines. They just do not wear well through a long day of work. Shop during their sales and only buy their premium brands. They often have 70% off.

    Lord and Taylor has a nice private label brand called Black and White.

    Brooks Brothers is not affordable. Unless you are making 300 K a year. Even then i ti shard to justify 1000 $ for a suite that could be ruined by a cranky moth or a filthy train. . I just wont do it.
     
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    Please do not put BB and JAB in the same category. BB is leagues above JAB and has far superior material, worksmanship, and tradition of excellence to back it up (all the way up to customer service). That is a good deal for a BB suit if not quite a steal. If you're younger you may want to look into the Black Fleece line, but that is significantly pricier. If i'm buying straight from a brick and mortar store, Brooks Brothers and Ralph Lauren are all I consider. Above those are MTM or bespoke, but below those are generally mediocrity. In America at least. edit: Oh Hickey Freeman is good too but better to go through a discount store for those


    I an likewise just out of college (well, 3 years out now, but still in grad school). But even so, with a emphasis on the time-cost of JAB v. Brooks, JAB can't hold a candle. Their suits are ugly terrible mass produced Chinese monstrosities of poor quality and fit. Brooks 1818, on the other hand, is of a decent construction and will likely last until the OP outgrows it.
    From the informaton provided and further reading in other threads I think I am going with JAB or BB. One reason I think these may be the best option is because I need a sales staff that is educated on the subject since I know very little. I have learned a lot reading the forum, but when I get in the store I know I am going to have a lot of questions. I need a new suit that is good for interviews and weddings. I thinking about gray or charcoal with a discreet pinstripe. A plain suit seems so boring and this is coming from a conservative person. Would a discreet pinstipe be a issue for an interview suit? It appears BB is about twice as much as JAB. In general will the appearance (fit and construction) of BB worth the price difference?
    JAB is garbage. Don't even consider it, or let their "Buy One Get Two Free" siren's song entice you. Just think about the markup - JAB is still making money @ three suits for the price of one. The quality is atrocious. Get a BB 1818 after Jan 5th. Get a solid charcoal or navy. It's absolutely worth it.
    Damn right it is. BB is on sale right now. BB is half canvas construction, has better stitching, nicer lapels, nicer fabrics, and generally a more knowledgeable staff. JAB has.... sales. All the fucking time....[​IMG]
    I will say it again, JAB is garbage.








    I bought 3x Hickey Freeman fully canvassed suits for less than that. JAB cannot beat that. Of course, they were used, but I don't care.

    However, if I was truly patient, I can nab NWT Hickey Freeman, Joseph Aboud, Boss, Burberry, HSM suits for $100. I'm not that patient, nor do I want to deal with them not having my size or color.

    JAB is only cheap if you want the retail experience. If your willing to go clearance diving, you can get much much better for the same price.




    Jacket waist suppression: $18-50
    Shorten the sleeves: $10-25
    Shorten pants: same as sleeves
    Pant waist: $10-25


    Prices depend on how many tailors there are in your city and how busy that particular tailor is.



    To answer the OP's question, I think Samuelsohn delivers the most bang for the buck. First, their price points are within reason of the ordinary man. Many of you have recommended Huntsman, Rubinacci, etc. I understand your sentiments, but that's a bespoke option and not within reach of 99.99% of men who wish to buy a suit.

    Of the affordable options, Samuelsohn stands alone in my mind for delivering quality construction, style, and affordable price points.

    I don't have the patience to to search the clearance racks. Once I need more then one suit and learn more about suits in general I will start looking at used. I think I have decided on BB or Ralph Lauren if I can get them around $500.
    Would this shoe be appropriate for an interview?
    http://www.allenedmonds.com/aeonline...ategory=120552


    Alright... you want value. I sincerely believe one of the best places to find value is Sierra Trading Post. Usually, they have a good assortment of Samuelsohn suits and sports jackets. For some reason, their inventory in Samuelsohn is a bit lean now. Arnold Brant is another good Canadian clothing manufacturer. Please consider this from Sierra Trading Post for $358...

    http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/4...a-For-Men.html

    I don't think you're going to find more bang for the buck anywhere.





    This is a good point. However, a Signature or Sig. Gold suit at 70% off during one of JAB's sales would be a higher-end choice for around $250-$350.



    Very interesting and contrasting views. I am going to remember these.
     

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