What ever you do don't buy the AS Ramsey in Oak. Mine have just arrived and disappointment is an understatement. The craftsmanship is ordinary (terrible stitching on the straps- crooked and even crossed, the cutting is poor on the top flap (excuse the incorrect terminology) and there are areas which havent even been touched by leather dye! I thought I would give AS a go on the basis that I have several pairs of C&J and I didnt like the length of the C&J Lowndes. I am sending them back to a Fine Pair of Shoes disgusted!