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Subway and Public Transportation Etiquette - The People We Encounter

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by patrickBOOTH, Nov 18, 2011.

  1. gomestar

    gomestar Senior member

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    NYC busses are for the crippled or for the old
     
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    aravenel Senior member

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    Busses are certainly more effective if you don't have that critical mass of people. But in a city like New York, busses are a disaster. They get hung up in traffic, and in no way can they carry enough people.
     
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    sugarbutch Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    You can have the worst of both worlds like we do in San Francisco: Impossibly expensive light-rail which shares the road with cars and has to stop at the same lights. And then put some of it underground to ensure that the cost per mile goes off the charts.
     
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    willy cheesesteak Senior member

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    M15 (1st Ave/2nd Ave) and M103 (3rd Ave/Lexington Ave) run great. Never had a problem with those two lines.
     
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    Most traffic jams in central london seem to consist of 90% bus. But the people on board aren't really in a hurry anyway (see gomestar, above), so it's not a problem.
     
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    I only take the bus if I have time to lose...
     
  7. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I always see the MTA adding busses to the system to and they rave about it like they are heroes and it is what the people have been wanting. No, we wan efficiency. I seriously think if we got rid of busses there would be less traffic in the city. Not to mention noise pollution. They are loud as fuck. Also, having busses flying across same lines as trains is stupid. Also, have you noticed how bus drivers drive in NYC? They act as if they own the world.
     
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    got off at my stop this morning and I (and everyone else) noticed the station was filling with smoke. The MTA station attendants didn't seem to care much.
     
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    Just a fire...no big deal.

    Speaking of inhaled things that can kill you, a passenger stepped on to the train last week and suddenly the whole car filled with the strongest acetone/gasoline/benzene like smell I've ever smelt. He just sat down and started sniffing like crazy from this rag and was gassing out everyone around him. He just kept sniffing every few seconds and couldn't stop. The whole car cleared at the very next stop of course as we were going to pass out, but this was a first for me. I clearly don't get around much.
     
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    Yeah, the point of the piece in the documentary was that buses can be incredibly efficient if designed from the ground up. They were basically like trains on tires. Had their own dedicated road. Had their own dedicated stops. Buses had much larger doors to accommodate a greater # of people getting on and off at one time. They didn't have to lean down for old people b/c the stops were elevated and the entrance to the bus was at curb level with no steps to go up or down. Stops were less frequent (one of the things that drives me nuts about Chicago buses is that they will stop 5 times over 5 blocks). I agree that most buses in American aren't more efficient than the train. The point in that segment was that they can be wildly more efficient given the minimal expense and with appropriate planning / design.

    Also, someone didn't think that robots could do the job of many MTA / CTA employees. Seriously? You don't think a computer could drive a train? And the people at the help / ticket booth actually do nothing.
     
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    I remember some city here in britain planning a system like that. Spent millions in planning and then it never happened, or something. Still it's other people's money they're wasting so why should they care.

    The DLR (a crappy offshoot of the tube for people unfortunate enough to work in the docklands), is automated, with driverless trains. You can sit right at the front and look out the window as you go along, like the world's worst roller coaster. I've heard it is not as reliable as the rest of the network - perhaps because when something goes wrong there just isn't anyone around to sort it out.
     
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    They actually demo'd a computer controlled train on the L line. The MTA union required that the train be fully staffed anyways. Not sure what ever happened, but I imagine they killed it--no sense in dealing with debugging the computer control if you have to keep paying the same amount for people to stand around anyways.

    Back to the busses, that's great about building separate roads and such. Really, you would absolutely need this to get anywhere close to train-level efficiency. But again, this is only going to work in some cities. In an older, denser city, like New York, or London, there is no way you could build those roads, short of going underground--at which point you might as well put in a train. Busses make a lot of sense for a newer, less populous city, but are an absolute disaster in a larger, denser city.

    And yeah, +1 to MTA bus drivers are insane. I cannot even count the number of times I have seen a city bus blow through a stop light at full speed without even slowing down. And not just a yellow-changing-to-red light, a full red light. It's a miracle that more people aren't killed by them.
     
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    dear MTA union - fuck you.
     
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    Most airport trains are automated and they seem to work just fine. I took one to my car at Ohare just yesterday.
     
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    It's definitely doable. Admittedly, a subway would be much more complex as there are far more train crossings, and generally just more trains to deal with, but it's a surmountable problem. The issue is a political one I'd wager, not a technological one.
     
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    I think the issue with busses even if they were more efficient is the relative price of gasoline vs. electricity. Electric busses would help, of course.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I have noticed that Monday mornings the subways are usually messed up, slow, or painfully over-crowded. I think I know why. My guess is the transition from the weekend people to the early weekday people sucks. This, plus the early weekday people are still drunk, and/or hungover from their weekend. Really pisses me off because every Monday morning the platform is like a line to a Justin Bieber concert. And yes, I mean hot. :nodding:

    Also loquacious people early in the morning on the subway should be bound and gagged. Had this dickweed cackling next to my head about photoshop all the way to work. Piercing voice.
     
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  18. DextersMorgan

    DextersMorgan Well-Known Member

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    I took the bus once about 10 years ago.
    About 15 people stood up to get off at the next stop.
    The stop came and he let the door open for 2 seconds then he closed it. The entire bus of people yelled to stop and let us off.
    The driver refused because he was late on his route.
     
  19. gomestar

    gomestar Senior member

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    i saw this ad on a path train. Who thought it would be ideal to give the weird looking guy from Mission Chinese Food a tight pants penis?

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. gomestar

    gomestar Senior member

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    also, what's with all the people being hit by trains? 8 incidents in the past 6 days or something.
     

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