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Subforum Cultural Divide: Mens Clothing vs. Streetwear

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by thebunk, Feb 20, 2011.

  1. SpallaCamiccia

    SpallaCamiccia Senior member

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    There is huge sociocultural difference between both forums and their poasters.

    I got just 1 post of the sportive one obviously.
     
  2. Baron

    Baron Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    There used to be more crossover between the two. I used to participate a lot on both, but now I don't much on either. I'm a little old for sw&d and not tacky enough for mc.
     
  3. *#..

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    ^^ very true. The outspoken shadow the rest. People's opinions sway with the people that post. It's good and bad. A lot of miscommunication happens this way. Bad habits are formed. It's the internet. I am still have a hard time dealing with this problem and I have been on SF for years. I had a Farinelli's thread on Menswear but I think it was deleted when I closed the store. I will have to start a WvG thread. I have some beautiful MTM suits and other great pieces. They aren't cheap and my temper ( though getting better) is bad. I don't the unwarranted hate specially from people who don't know anything about real garment construction. If it doesn't fit their sense of style , great but to say something is crap with no basis is just rude. I will make a thread once I sew the rest of the buttons on the sport coat and have a photographer take pics. Best, Mauro
    People's opinions sway because they're on this forum to find clothing they like. Regular contributing members' opinions are weighed higher, so new users will follow them to get a better sense of style. I think they should listen to them, but make a style of their own. A lot of posters on SW&D really like flannel shirts - I can't stand them. Or sperrys, vans, and especially peacoats, can't see myself wearing any of them. There's a whole thread on Clarks desert boots, and to this day, I have not seen a look from there I like with those (in my opinion) monstrosities on. If I do, I think they'd look better with another pair of shoes on. Users on SW&D will say they're staples, but I disagree. It's up to the individual poster to take what he likes from all these threads, both in MC and SW&D, to put on the best look. I've learned to pay attention to fit, color combinations, and appropriate setting to wear the right thing - I just had to get past the snarking on SW&D to learn these things.
     
  4. gdl203

    gdl203 Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    There used to be more crossover between the two. I used to participate a lot on both, but now I don't much on either. I'm a little old for sw&d and not tacky enough for mc.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Thomas

    Thomas Senior member

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    There used to be more crossover between the two. I used to participate a lot on both, but now I don't much on either. I'm a little old for sw&d and not tacky enough for mc.

    [​IMG]
     
  6. Master-Classter

    Master-Classter Senior member

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    I just hit 'new posts'. I rarely even actually click into either forum so I guess you could say I play for both teams (no homo).

    although I do agree there's quite a different sort of vibe in both. I suspect it's probably the age and lifestyle reasons.
     
  7. AR_Six

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    There's a whole thread on Clarks desert boots, and to this day, I have not seen a look from there I like with those (in my opinion) monstrosities on... Users on SW&D will say they're staples...
    Actually most of us consider that thread to be a joke. Even within sw&d there are distinct groups, the denizens of the clarks and jcrew thread and the others. That divide prompts the absolutely painful, horrendous "style vs. fashion" debate that rears its ugly head every few weeks. The forum has moved away from that gingham / raw denim / chucks or chukkas uniform go-to minimalist standard it had a few years ago and more towards riskier more avant stuff such that there are people who would fit in on stylezeitgeist if they could stomach the tone. Hence there is a great deal more variety than there was.

    I occasionally venture into MC but find that there is indeed a gap, ie:

    http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=226442

    I have no idea if the list of examples there is meant to be serious or is intended as self-parody.
     
  8. word

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    Too many ppl at sw&d have a chip on their shoulder and use the forum to vent. I internet to get away from BS like that, it's no surprise I only check this forum like once a week. Also haven't looked at waywt much during the last year. Gotta scroll past 20 people wearing lumberjack stuff, j crew, clarks, skinny jeans/peacoat just to find smth interesting. Takes too much time.

    The SW&D mega threads are very useful. Learn to search inside a specific thread.



    Don't go to MC so I dunno. At a glance they're mostly older and more mellow. But their quoting in waywt is fucking ridiculous. You see the same picture 10 times on one page with little pointless 1 line comments. If it's changed don't hurt me, I haven't looked lately. If I had to wear a uniform every day I'd check that forum more.
     
  9. *#..

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    Actually most of us consider that thread to be a joke. Even within sw&d there are distinct groups, the denizens of the clarks and jcrew thread and the others. That divide prompts the absolutely painful, horrendous "style vs. fashion" debate that rears its ugly head every few weeks. The forum has moved away from that gingham / raw denim / chucks or chukkas uniform go-to minimalist standard it had a few years ago and more towards riskier more avant stuff such that there are people who would fit in on stylezeitgeist if they could stomach the tone. Hence there is a great deal more variety than there was. I occasionally venture into MC but find that there is indeed a gap, ie: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=226442 I have no idea if the list of examples there is meant to be serious or is intended as self-parody.
    Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks that whole thread is a disgrace. You're right on the distinct groups being present. I see a lot of new users posting about Lands End Canvas, which isn't the case for most other threads. What do you mean by the DTO thread on MC?
    Too many ppl at sw&d have a chip on their shoulder and use the forum to vent. I internet to get away from BS like that, it's no surprise I only check this forum like once a week. Also haven't looked at waywt much during the last year. Gotta scroll past 20 people wearing lumberjack stuff, j crew, clarks, skinny jeans/peacoat just to find smth interesting. Takes too much time. The SW&D mega threads are very useful. Learn to search inside a specific thread. Don't go to MC so I dunno. At a glance they're mostly older and more mellow. But their quoting in waywt is fucking ridiculous. You see the same picture 10 times on one page with little pointless 1 line comments. If it's changed don't hurt me, I haven't looked lately. If I had to wear a uniform every day I'd check that forum more.
    +1, this is exactly how I feel. If I see red/black flannel, I immediately think lumberjack. Such a bad look on anyone, don't know why they wear the stuff. I've viewed the what you're wearing thread (don't know/care for its abbreviation) a few times, but gave up on it for the same reasons as you. Too many pics of the same things you mentioned over and over, and I'm too lazy to look through all of it. Lots of unnecessary snarking in the discussion thread as well. Yeah, the MC posters are definitely older, and they have more traditional, preppy preferences.
     
  10. Mauro

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    Good god, I now I don't need to start but what the hell.
    I agree with the last 3 posts. I think what happens is a little bubble occurs. There are so many ways to wear buffalo check and Flannel. However people without a real sense of style can't break through a trend or particular look they already feel comfortable with. It's really hard to have your "own" style. This creates a re-occuring look which more people see and tend to copy, creating a trend or style,even.
    Designers are the same way ( you will see buffalo check for fall"11 and flannel out the yang). We all steer towards a particular direction. The direction is formed in different ways.

    Age
    Fabric mills
    current events
    social settings
    economy
    and more..

    No one person ( maybe a handful literally are exceptions to the rules) thinks for his/her self. People are influenced by so many things ( listed above). When the fabric Mills push a particular color , you will buy that color at some point.
    With the economy a lot of mills , all over the world are closing. This makes it harder for designers not to use the same fabrics. When the designers use the same fabrics the press picks up on that and then the public.
    I know I am not dong a good job on explaining myself and the topic is SO interesting.

    What I try to do for the sake of believing I am different ( I am clearly not) I don't watch TV, read magazines, or go out much because when I am focusing on my collection I am hoping I am original. It's kind of silly considered I am bombarded with influences all the time. It's just my way of trying to do my thing.

    As far as the criticism goes. A lot is unwarranted but does make for better reading [​IMG] .
    My only real complaint is that if someone is going to bash another person for making effort at least give the S.O.B. a reason with meaning not just-
    "dude, that fucking sucks"
    that's not helping. that's using the internet as a shield because that person ( rarely) would say something like the above mentioned to a real person that they weren't friends with.

    People need to appreciate things outside their comfort zones and appreciate the look for what it is.
    If it's unbalanced the look will reflect that and it can be voiced.
    I compare it to picky eaters. They like what they like and that's it. I think that's bullshit. There are SO many good foods out there and to just eat a handful of things is crazy to me but you will never know you like it til you try it.
     
  11. wEstSidE

    wEstSidE Senior member

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    on NPR this morning i heard that things you do influence your friend and your friend's friend but then it stops.

    mauro i know what you mean. availability definitely influences what people wear. anecdotally, i live near a polo outlet so i own a lot of ralph lauren. there are brands i like better but it's so cheap i can't justify the difference.

    just like if i don't live near a good pizza place i'm not going to eat pizza often (waht up impolytone)

    also, on originality, i think there is a good analogy in math. it's easy to take the integral of an elementary function if it's in your calc 1 textbook or whatever. however if you just write down whatever combination of elementary functions / operations then it's really unlikely that you can integrate. it's easy to come up with something original but it likely won't work. why not just stick to the textbook, since the midterm covers that material, you feel me?
     
  12. word

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    +1, this is exactly how I feel. If I see red/black flannel, I immediately think lumberjack. Such a bad look on anyone, don't know why they wear the stuff. I've viewed the what you're wearing thread (don't know/care for its abbreviation) a few times, but gave up on it for the same reasons as you. Too many pics of the same things you mentioned over and over, and I'm too lazy to look through all of it. Lots of unnecessary snarking in the discussion thread as well. Yeah, the MC posters are definitely older, and they have more traditional, preppy preferences.
    I don't automatically think it's bad no matter what. Just that it's done as an afterthought too often so it doesn't seem interesting. I don't expect some mind blowing original ground breaking outfit, that's unrealistic. Just something with some thought put into it to make it more interesting than what's normally posted. Something subtle that makes you double take and be all "oh cool...". As for filtering out all the pmsing, I dunno I'm at a loss...
    ( you will see buffalo check for fall"11 and flannel out the yang)
    oh lawd.
     
  13. gwolf

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    i read mc and ask help for how to wear certain combos. i don't read sw&d but i look at the online stores recommended there. then i just look at the brands there and buy what i like. i don't mind following trends but i'm pretty limited to spring summer stuff due to my location so no peacoat for moi.
     
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    Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks that whole thread is a disgrace. You're right on the distinct groups being present. I see a lot of new users posting about Lands End Canvas, which isn't the case for most other threads. What do you mean by the DTO thread on MC?



    +1, this is exactly how I feel. If I see red/black flannel, I immediately think lumberjack. Such a bad look on anyone, don't know why they wear the stuff. I've viewed the what you're wearing thread (don't know/care for its abbreviation) a few times, but gave up on it for the same reasons as you. Too many pics of the same things you mentioned over and over, and I'm too lazy to look through all of it. Lots of unnecessary snarking in the discussion thread as well. Yeah, the MC posters are definitely older, and they have more traditional, preppy preferences.


    I know this wasn't supposed to be a style discussion, but the indiscriminate hate toward all flannel/ check confuses me. Sure, some hipsters took it a little too far, but I don't understand why people think it can't be done in a subtle way without being "lumberjack." Say something like "its not my style" but to say it all looks bad come off as closed minded
     
  15. Gutman

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    WAYWRN on MC is generally quite constructive and supportive, and relatively more postings than comments. WAYWT on SW&D can get a bit tiresome - extensive bitching, faux feuds, and fairly blunt comments (or opinions I should say). But that also makes it funny.

    I suppose SW&D is more polarising - People on MC don't seem to feel threatened by someone else's take on classic clothing, but will still comment on objective issues like cut, fit etc. SW&D is more conformist IMO around particular brands and looks. By its nature, SW&D is more accessible to all-comers (everyone has jeans...), and there are some truly awful fits, so that might explain the short-fuse with noobs. MC noobs tend to have their act together a bit more, or at least be sort of on the right track.
     
  16. spertia

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    I'm a little old for sw&d and not tacky enough for mc.

    [​IMG] I'm with you on this one.
     
  17. Lel

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    You really think that is the case?
    Yes, absolutely.
    SW&D is more conformist IMO around particular brands and looks.
    Lol what? You sure you're not talking about MC? Men's Clothing discussion is mostly about the technical aspects of outfits, construction details and the like. However there is also what is thought to be a golden standard to looks, or at least, a set guide of rules that should not be deviated from. To keep it short, constructing an MC outfit is more about adhering to a singular aesthetic and deviating as little as possible from the rules. What confuses me is how people think SW&D has a cohesive singular aesthetic, look, or even preference. It doesn't, and the suggestion is absurd and just goes to show how quickly people generalize the entire forum. The attitude and nature of SW&D has changed a LOT over the past few years, versus MC which has changed little. The current discussion on SW&D is very different from discussion a few years ago. There's a lot more focus on designer brands, and different aesthetics. For instance, there's a LOT more discussion on Rick Owns, Julius, Margiela, Junya, etc. now than there was even a year ago. I'm not going to get into a big rant about how SF is changing and past it's "golden years" (don't believe in such a thing) so I'll just address the point directly. SW&D is less about following rules or adhering to a particular aesthetic and simply more about being expressive, getting outside of own's comfort zone, or at least being open minded to different looks. The worst part about MC is the narrow mindedness about what constitutes as a "good look" (IE: there's only one). I remember a lot of MC-ers criticizing a WAYWT of snake who was wearing stuff like Ann D, complaining about it's lack of structure. [​IMG] One big difference I've noticed is that SW&D not only appreciates but also tends to applaud aesthetics that are outside their comfort zone where as an MC-er would reject and criticize it. This narrow mindedness really depresses me, considering that on a forum about clothing discussion such a large portion of the members shoot down any aesthetics that are not their own. If anything, I respect a member even more for attempting a bold and interesting look that is experimental vs. something completely bland, safe, and boring. Unfortunately a lot of douchey members don't share this view and I feel that this attitude can really stifle discussion sometimes, even chase off members (didn't chris leave because someone kept ragging on his skinny jeans or something??). MCers are fine with answering n00b questions because seriously what else would they sit around talking about? Adding to the 100+ page debate on black shoes? Discussing the merits of x button vs. y buttons, AGAIN? With SW&D there's always new trends, looks, seasons, designers, etc to talk about. The best part comes from that, people have different tastes so instead of everyone sitting around have a circle jerk and agreeing there can actually be some debate and discussion. Note: I criticized MC but I want to clarify that the majority of prominent, respected MCers are not this type at all. A lot of them are pretty ok with SW&D having a different look and admitting it's not their style, that's fine. BUT, there are also a LOT of douchey MC-ers ala chasingred who act as if they came from the heavens as some godly authoritarian on strict clothing guidelines and are quick to point out minuscule irrelevant details because it doesn't fit their rules when people just honestly don't care. TLDR---> MC celebrates its homogeneity in aesthetic tastes while SW&D thrives off the diversity of conflicting tastes.
     
  18. Mauro

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    Lel ,brings up some interesting points.

    I think people need to understand clothing better before they make a comment. If the comment is based on personal opinion that's one thing, you can't deny a person his opinion. It's another thing to comment on a factual issue , clearly be wrong about the fact but think you are right because you heard it form other members. That tends to happen a lot of both sides.
    It drives me nuts when people get into arguments about clothing construction when both parties are wrong. Usually the person who posts the correct answers are shoved aside a lot of times because the louder poster ( who is wrong)shadows the other persons post.

    Fashion changes and people need to change with fashion. Suits are being constructed in different ways now. Some better than others. The cost doesn't always reflect the quality of the work. The same goes for Denim and RTW.

    It would be nice to be able for someone to ask a question and get a real honest answer not just .." Well I don't like it" that's not helping and it doesn't make either subforum any better.
     

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