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Originally Posted by sloaney
And I am saying that the average person's taste level in Europe is higher. I am not saying every single European has better taste. I don't think this is a very controversial statement.
Sloaney is theoretically (as well as anecdotally) true on this count: the West exported their culture to American, Asia, and Africa via colonialization. Europe did not cease to be the producer of the world's culture until after WW2. Men's Clothing changes at such a rate that America has not been on top long enough to significantly change it, and it seems as though the will of the American people is to dismantle Men's Clothing rather than lead on it. America should lead on Streetwear with declining influence from Japan due to their economic strength in the 80's and increasing influence from China. As for beauty, I can't believe no one has brought up the oft-referenced maxim yet: suits are designed to correct physical deficiencies and give the illusion of an ideal male form.
 

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Originally Posted by cheapmutha
hmm... as an attractive and well dressed man id like to chime in.

confidence means more than anything else. you can be very good looking, dress well, and not be confident in yourself and no one will ever notice how attractive and well dressed you are. at the same time, you can be average and dress poorly, but pull beautiful women because of confidence in yourself.

trust me, i know all too well.

+1 again. Attitude and self-confidence mean about 100X more regarding attractiveness than "style" or "physical looks" (when speaking in terms of being attractive to women). Simply put, from a female perspective, Confidence = Money = Security = Survival. Obviously it is much more complicated than this and if you accept this equation you can draw many inferences from it regarding the importance of how you dress and present yourself.
 

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Originally Posted by Britalian
On the confidence/attractiveness thing, I've heard a fanny (UK, not US) magnet postulate that the more one is attracted to someone (opposite sex), the more they are likely to be attracted to you.

There is some truth to that. There also is such a thing as objective beauty. And women's tastes are affected by fluctuating hormone levels. On sartorial forums (love the quote), probably some of the excess happens for the same reason it happens in bodybuilders: the competitive instinct goes too far.
 

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The meeting point of several angles.

I believe there are two relevant styles when the topic involves dress as a factor in attracting the fairer sex.

But my hypothesis is based on the feminine horminal cycle. Apparently, a woman of fertile age has a mood swing due to this cycle.

At one extreme, she has less control over her sexual urges and male arrogance becomes an important factor of attractiveness. Here is where the loose woman syndrome really enjoy its peak.

At the other extreme, she becomes suer-rational and this means she values highly financial security in our current age. This is where the Men are from Mars; Women are from Venus role-playing is in phase.

Dressing has a part to play in relation to the two factors. Perhaps the earlier evolution of dress was to incorporate the financial factor into consideration in order to increase male attractiveness to the fairer sex, especially during the Great Depression which seemed to have coincided with the classical era of gentlemanly fashion of the 1930's. And, perhaps in the future, and what has been going on in the development of male clothing at a subconscious level for the last half century or more, differentiation in the roles of dress was carried on so that a specific type of style was created for sexual attractiveness.
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant
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And women's tastes are affected by fluctuating hormone levels.
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Originally Posted by No Shoes
...>snip>... Simply put, from a female perspective, Confidence = Money = Security = Survival. Obviously it is much more complicated than this and if you accept this equation you can draw many inferences from it regarding the importance of how you dress and present yourself.
 

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Women on a purely physical level like the traditional masculine hero type: symmetrical, muscularly athletic, chiseled jaw, nice eyes, a 6 pack a must. etc. Hence why women swoon over brad pitt it fight club and that Matthew McC.(sp) guy. I'll be douchey here and tell you no matter what they say that women love strong biceps, a powerful chest, abs, butts, even muscular legs will make them do wierd stuff and yea, they are more likely to sleep with you on 1st dates or at minimum get pretty damn close, no suprise. Why the football captain, basketball star etc. wins the ladies in the not as financially driven high school.

Just like guys like a healthy in-shape female.

I've noticed that if you are in great shape, that a t shirt and jeans and boots can get you farther than a suit sometimes.

Furthermore, I've seen women getting nutty over a guy in a foreign sports car (looks are all that matter, I've never seen any of them debate 0-60 mph or engine size), and some really like a guy that can look sharp in a suit and they love to see you put it on in the morning as you go to work. I guess it's a social sign this guy is successful or something etc. etc.

I personally like to go from jeans and a t shirt up to a suit and tie and back and forth. The one thing I liked about the new Casino Royale was how Craig could go from rugged, tough wear all the way to a suit and tie depeding of the occassion.

---rambling off---
 

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I'm not sure I have much to add, but a different point of view...

Despite popular belief, there is no single &quot;hero type&quot;. Most girls have really wide ranging ideas of what is hot. 6 pack is not a must. Don't listen to that douche.

As far as I see girls dressing, it falls into three categories.
a) dressing for self. &quot;i want to be comfortable, i don't care about others&quot;. Often manifests in really bad taste &quot;comfortable clothing&quot; and in people who are more insecure.
b) dressing for girls. Whatever's in fashion, whatever's hip, no matter how dumb it looks on you. Believe it or not, you can't pull off every look, most of the time you'll try and fail.
c) dressing for guys. Usually fixes on the basic principle that people &quot;dress&quot; you up and down. It doesn't matter so much on what brand it is, but how it portays your body. Often means basic clothes which accentuate curves or skin. Can be tasteful or tasteless.

I'd rather people wore what looked good on them than what they believed was &quot;trendy&quot;. Clothing is all about the image you want to put out.
 

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Originally Posted by *****
I'm not sure I have much to add, but a different point of view...

Despite popular belief, there is no single "hero type". Most girls have really wide ranging ideas of what is hot. 6 pack is not a must.


*****,

Being that I will absolutly never have a six pack, you are officially now my "hero type".
 

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Originally Posted by *****
I'm not sure I have much to add, but a different point of view...

Despite popular belief, there is no single "hero type". Most girls have really wide ranging ideas of what is hot. 6 pack is not a must. Don't listen to that douche.

As far as I see girls dressing, it falls into three categories.
a) dressing for self. "i want to be comfortable, i don't care about others". Often manifests in really bad taste "comfortable clothing" and in people who are more insecure.
b) dressing for girls. Whatever's in fashion, whatever's hip, no matter how dumb it looks on you. Believe it or not, you can't pull off every look, most of the time you'll try and fail.
c) dressing for guys. Usually fixes on the basic principle that people "dress" you up and down. It doesn't matter so much on what brand it is, but how it portays your body. Often means basic clothes which accentuate curves or skin. Can be tasteful or tasteless.

I'd rather people wore what looked good on them than what they believed was "trendy". Clothing is all about the image you want to put out.


Actually none of it's a must. Never said it was. But you are fooling yourself if a girl doesn't like a guy who's in shape over one that is not. Chicks lie their arse over cars, looks etc. when it comes to guys. Pull up in a Buick and then pull up in a (pick your favorite cool car). Some girl was telling me last night how she would love to eat Matthew Mc. (howver u spell his last name) because he was charming. I said what if Chris Farley was alive and charming. She just laughed, okay you made your point.

Best point you made is:

I'd rather people wore what looked good on them than what they believed was "trendy". Clothing is all about the image you want to put out.

Hats off to that.

I like contemporary classic myself. Dudes that get too trendy look freaking silly many times or look as if they are still in highschool.

Exception is a Rock Star: they can look like **** and pull skanky hot chicks all day long.
 

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IamMatt is Street Credless

Now that is fkg
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That made my day.

You are a genius, funny stuff.
 

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Originally Posted by iammatt
*****, Being that I will absolutly never have a six pack, you are officially now my "hero type".
I'm working on twelve pack abs, on my way to a keg. The ladies, they will soon be a-runnin' into mah manly arms.
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Originally Posted by sloaney
really think it depends. some women like the alpha male type and others like the quieter, more modest kind. sure, if you're after the sorority chicks, then you need to be the alpha male type. but not all men are after the typical blue-eyed blonde.

Alpha males generally don't need to beat their chests, imhe. Those are beta-males. Of course different women are attracted to different specific characteristics, but I don't think I've ever come across a woman who aren't attracted to confidence.
 

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All things being equal, of course a woman would prefer a man to be in shape than grossly out of shape. Of course, all things are never equal. I've never had a six pack and it's never mattered one bit. Different women are attracted to different physical types and different styles of dress, but they're all attracted to confidence. And humor - cracking them up never hurts.

I've been a pretty good dresser my whole adult life, relative to my peers. I've also been relatively OK looking, though I didn't realize that when I was younger. It wasn't until I hit my 30's and got comfortable in my own skin that I had an easy time meeting women. Cheap and a few others got it right - attitude is literally 90% of the game.
 

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A little anecdotal observation:

I'm a good looking guy, and I love fashion, but I pull more girls with fitted jeans and a plain tee than I ever do with seven top layers, diors and handmade shoes. When I pull girls wearing that kind of thing it's often because they appreciate the style, but they're no more attractive than the ones that like me because I work out every day and take care of myself.

I tend to keep style and attractiveness seperate. I've never found they make a big difference.

Although there is clearly a minimum level, your clothes should fit you, and be in colours that work well on you.
 

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What I've gathered from this thread is that Streetwear & Denim posters think themselves good looking, to the man. They all also seem to be willing to put that statement on the line, all of them being featured more than once in the "Streetwear What Are you Wearing Now" thread. Cocky bastards all
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