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Stoves/Ranges

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Manton, Mar 14, 2006.

  1. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    We have a 48" Wolf and love it. I would not go with the newer electric oven option as it just adds a ton of cost and no real performance. We have had zero problems with the gas oven, as opposed to our Thermido wall ovens which are awful. The only complaint that I have about the wolf is that after cleaning, the stove is a little tricky to reassemble. The indoor grill is not worth anything. We have one, and use it, but I would be happy if it disappeared.

    IMO, a griddle is not a very effective simmer plate. A true hob is, but they are large and expensive. I believe that they replace four burners on a wolf.
     
  2. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Well, both Wolf and Viking will do a 36" range with four burners and a griddle, or four and a grill, or six burners total. If the griddle is not useful as a simmer plate, then I guess I don't want it. Anything else I would cook on the griddle I could always do on a big saute pan.

    My experience with gas ovens has been that the temperature is never even, and fluctuates like mad. Very bad for roasts. Does dual fuel really cost so much more?
     
  3. Mr. Checks

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    I've had a 30-inch Viking, gas/gas, for 5 years. Never a problem.

    All the burners are the same: open, 16,000 BTU max, and simmer. Simmer works very well (I'm not a fan of Consumer Reports for enthusiast items, but it praised the simmer function as the best of the gas models).

    One nice feature is the (inactive) grill in between the burners (in the center). It allows items to be taken off the heat without removing from the stove. Some/most gas ranges don't have that. I believe the 36-inch Viking has a grill in the center, which functions the same way when not in use. It's one of those "how'd I ever live without this" things.

    I know you don't want a gas oven, but man, mine has a 1,600 degree infrared burner that makes steaks from heaven. It also has on/off convection.

    FWIW, I almost got the Wolf (love the red knobs), but a friend got me a great deal on the Viking.
     
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    Chuck Norris uses 8'x10' sheets of plywood as toilet paper. Sorry. Check out the ads in Gourmet Monthly.
    Does Chuck Norris cook his food or eat it raw after killing it?
     
  5. philosophe

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    I have a 36" thermidor dual-fuel and really like it. The oven heats up very quickly and the temperatures are very even. The sealed burners are a snap to clean.
     
  6. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Well, both Wolf and Viking will do a 36" range with four burners and a griddle, or four and a grill, or six burners total. If the griddle is not useful as a simmer plate, then I guess I don't want it. Anything else I would cook on the griddle I could always do on a big saute pan.

    My experience with gas ovens has been that the temperature is never even, and fluctuates like mad. Very bad for roasts. Does dual fuel really cost so much more?



    From what I recall, they are almost twice as much. We bought ours before dual fuel was an option, so I am not well versed in the price differences.

    I have not had a lot of trouble with roasts. However, I think that we usually cook pure roasts in our Thermador electric as it is self cleaning. I would just go for six burners and be done with it. The other options are not worth it. This model is the only one that would be a good option, but it does not come smaller than 48". [​IMG]
     
  7. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    OK, we're getting somewhere. Thanks, everyone.

    One problem that will steer me toward the Viking: they will allow you to choose colors. The other occupant of the house is very interested in that.
     
  8. jay allen

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    Well, both Wolf and Viking will do a 36" range with four burners and a griddle, or four and a grill, or six burners total. If the griddle is not useful as a simmer plate, then I guess I don't want it. Anything else I would cook on the griddle I could always do on a big saute pan. My experience with gas ovens has been that the temperature is never even, and fluctuates like mad. Very bad for roasts. Does dual fuel really cost so much more?
    If I remember correctly dual fuel adds about 50% more to the cost. We use our griddle for breakfast more than anything else. It's hard to beat when cooking pancakes, homefries, etc. If you aren't a breakfast guy....I would probably skip it. Our hood system has built in heat lamps which we've found to be useful. Never a big fan of leaving food under a lamp.....but there are times when the timing isn't perfect and they come in handy.
     
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    OK, we're getting somewhere. Thanks, everyone.

    One problem that will steer me toward the Viking: they will allow you to choose colors. The other occupant of the house is very interested in that.


    Avocado, rust or gold are the only ways to go!
     
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    Who says he kills it?

    I've cooked on my parents' nifty 6-burner-with-various-other-surfaces-and-two-ovens things, and, as a renter with a crappy electric range, I am jealous of all of you.
     
  12. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Does anyone feel very strongly that any of these brands is much better/worse that the others?

    I am leaning toward Viking because: 1) All the burners max out AND do a low simmer; 2) It is available in eight or so colors, whereas it appears that all the others are stainless only.
     
  13. faustian bargain

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    our default spec for renovating kitchens is usually Viking. Wolf is probably second, and then Thermador, based on client preference.

    I don't think anyone has ever complained about their ranges.

    I have heard that many cooks prefer dual fuel because of the reason you cited - more steady temp in the oven.

    re. sealed vs. open, i'd ask the tech support or sales person to give you a rundown on the pros and cons. i doubt it makes much difference in the cooking experience, but i might be wrong.

    ...agreed on the heat lamps, especially if you get the warming rack to free up stovetop space.

    /andrew
     
  14. Mr. Checks

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    Avocado, rust or gold are the only ways to go!

    I like it, the Blue
     
  15. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Does anyone feel very strongly that any of these brands is much better/worse that the others?

    I am leaning toward Viking because: 1) All the burners max out AND do a low simmer; 2) It is available in eight or so colors, whereas it appears that all the others are stainless only.



    I think that Viking and Wolf are roughly equivalent. Thermador, based on my experience, sucks. The Thermador oven that we have is the single most problematic appliance in our house, and it is not even close. Again, and not to beat a dead horse, I think that gas ovens are fine. Most, if not all, fine restaurants use them. They are simple and durable. I worry about dual fuel, and have never found something that I could not cook in a gas oven.

    My kitchen is white lacquer and stainless steel, so I didn't really consider another color. If you need color, then Wolf would not be the right choice.
     
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    I am suprised no one mentioned La Cornue.

    They offer some degree of customization.
     
  17. itsstillmatt

    itsstillmatt Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I am suprised no one mentioned La Cornue.

    They offer some degree of customization.


    I see them as the Bijan of ranges.

    Seriously, unless you are super talented and super experienced, a La Cornue is not going to provide any benefit.
     
  18. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think the cheap ones start at like $27,000. [​IMG]
     
  19. JBZ

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    I think the cheap ones start at like $27,000. [​IMG]

    I know of Viking stoves, but every now and then a completely different world gets opened up to you. $27,000 for a stove!? Goodness...
     
  20. countdemoney

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    I'm thinking that Viking would be your best choice. We have one in the family, and it cooks great, but requires some effort to keep it shiny. The best burner I've ever cooked on was a classic Vulcan, with the black steel face. Amazing cooktop.

    For color, I think stainless is a little too trendy right now, so I would avoid it for that reason.

    but vulcan, ahh sweet vulcan . . .
    http://www.vulcanhart.com/specs/specs-36SL.pdf

    My other choice would be an Aga (up to 15 colors), but I don't know how well it does on the stovetop front.

    http://www.aga-ranges.com/models/legacy36.cfm

    Good luck, and have fun.
     

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