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Stationery

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by jaskip, Nov 2, 2004.

  1. 1Dgaf

    1Dgaf Senior member

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    Label King,

    At university I sometimes used to post essay to my tutors. I used sealing wax on the envelopes. The package was far more impressive than the content.

    Huntsman,

    I like your style.
     
  2. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    Ah, you must have went to Oxford?
     
  3. 1Dgaf

    1Dgaf Senior member

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    Heh. I went to Durham.  It's collegiate like Oxford.  I went to one of the newer, more liberal colleges.  

    I used sealing wax because my father gave me a seal with the first letter of my first name on.  That and I'm eccentric, though I hope I'm not pretentious.
     
  4. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    I studied abroad at Oxford. I can't imagine any Ivy League school being more elitist (or pretentious, depending on your point of view). Every weekend there are black tie balls. Dinners are sit-downs with help in attendance (in my college, it was a group of Asian ladies, the lack of diversity of which I find extremely offensive). The china is engraved with college seals. It is a severe violation for anyone to step on their well-manicured lawns. Nevermind most UK residents pay close to nothing to attend the university, facilities are lacking relative to expensive US colleges (possibly aside from Balliol and Christ Church), and they are cheap enough to charge visitors/tourists anxious to get a glimpse of their grounds -- but standards and propriety must be maintained. If you want to raise a classy snob, forget Harvard Yale Princeton, send him/her to Oxford. [​IMG] But the experience of living and studying in this institution and this medieval town, albeit for a short time, is one that I will cherish forever.
     
  5. 1Dgaf

    1Dgaf Senior member

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    I went to a friend's college dinner at Cambridge once; I think most of the waiters and waitresses were local young men and women.

    The dinner ladies at my college were all ciggy smoking geordies with lazy eyes and screeching voices; "No, ya canna have TWO pieces o toast for yer breakfast. Put it back.".

    Aye, twas a glamorous life.
     
  6. gregory

    gregory Senior member

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    Based on my experiences at top US colleges and at Oxford, one thing that amazes me is how much more emphasis Oxford (and I assume, other elite UK schools) places on decorum, elegance and standards despite being relatively very poorly funded compared to her US cousins. Whether this is to be lauded or deplored, I don't know.

    So yes, my alma mater in the US may have just built a $50 million dollar science center, but we will never have the amazing dining hall that Wadham Oxford has, what with the oil potraits of former wardens adorning the wood-panelled walls while nicely suited young gentlemen and ladies sat in benches sipping their wine, their faces lit by the electric lamps -- and on special occasions, candles -- resting on the tables.
     
  7. 1Dgaf

    1Dgaf Senior member

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    I'd hazard that a new science centre is rather more useful than an oak-paneled hall.

    My college was a bog-standard modern building. All the students were quite relaxed and welcoming. Perhaps I was/am biased, but I tended to find people from the more 'refined' colleges could often be more stuck up and, occasionally, boorish.

    I'm sure I was too, to some extent.
     
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    Thanks for that post, jharrison. I'm still a bit new here, don't quite understand the "acceptance factor" of lengthy posts, or I would have done it myself.

    Huntsman, I too have some old dip pens, but don't use them anywhere near as often as you do. Thanks for the inspiration.
     
  9. Horace

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    Originally Posted by jharrison,02 Nov. 2004, 8:54
    Pardon my ignorance, but do you mean that it's quality is decreasing? Or that it's becoming too common.
    It's too democratic [​IMG] too widely available. Especially when one is paying a significant amount for personalized stationary, one should expect more exclusivity and quality. I think my personalized notes and envelopes (50 each) probably cost my friend about $150. They are not nice enough that I would willingly shell out money from my pocket for them.
    I do think the quality of Crane's to be superb. Â They make the American paper banknotes, after all. Â And those certainly see some circulation. Â However, that Crane is widely available now, I wouldn't know. Â Nor do I think it makes the paper any less desirable. I've been using it for ages, and think it the best available in America. I've received Symthson paper in the mail, and it certainly is impressive. Cranes may be pricey, but you can order it in bulk from Cranes now. Â Also, Cranes used to have a few catalogs with useful essays on social writing papers, etc. Â
     
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    Don't forget though, that Fussell's book was a piece of irony itself. And Fussell is a terrible snob himself.

    I don't think it's anxiety of class-slippage as much as social-climbing (if one were to make accusations).
     
  11. Horace

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    Interesting.

    So perhaps if people did know how much the paper cost, it would then be defensible?  So, if I had a Saville Row suit, superbly done, so that it was almost unnoticeable (i.e. didn't scream out:  I'm worth a lot of money.), that too would be indefensible?

    No wonder you're a Fussell fan.
     
  12. Chilli padi

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    The Picollo Press is an interesting alternative to Smythson of Bond Street, for those in the UK: Picollo Press
     
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    No, I didn't say or mean that.
     
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    i have engraved stationery -- monarch-sized paper with my name in upper left corner and just my address on the back flap of envelope.

    my experience is that printers who work with law firms are a better bet than stationery/paper shops. if business is slow, their prices are amazing and they'll steer you in the direction of something that looks serious.

    in chicago's loop, such a printer is werner printing.
     
  15. chorse123

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    Forget Smythsons and Crane's. They're great, but very overpriced. You'll get a much better deal through Piccolo Press, a specialist printer in Scotland: http://www.piccolopress.co.uk/ When you get up into the high quantities (1000 sheets) it is positively a bargain. EDIT, sorry, totally missed the mention above. BTW, they have an American office and do plenty of business in the States.
     
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    Horace Senior member

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    I must say that I really think Crane to by fine paper, however I've ordered sample from this outfit. So we'll see.
     
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    I don't think there's anything wrong with Crane's paper. It is excellent, and their thermography is top of the line. It's just the personalised papers are significantly more expensive than they should be, especially when you are ordering large quantities.
     
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    Horace Senior member

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    You might try ordering in bulk social stat. packs. Unless by large quantities you mean their bulk pricing as well.
     
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    chorse123 Senior member

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    You may be right. I haven't looked into it too much because the bulk social stationery orders are by necessity lower on my shopping list. Do let me know what you think of the Piccolo paper/printing when it arrives. My wife and I are considering ordering a decade's supply as an anniversary present for ourselves.
     
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    For those in DC, I'd recommend Brewood on Pennsylvania Avenue, a couple of blocks from the White House. Nice people. About a year ago I got personalized stationary from them. Cranes. A box of about 100 envelopes and a box of 200 or 300 sheets were about $200. They're very good for party invites and the like too.
     

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