St. Crispin's Appreciation Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by medtech_expat, Jul 22, 2011.

  1. NAMOR

    NAMOR Senior member

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    sole change right away on a $1000+ rtw shoe is stupid? im not following you

    about a year ago, their was a rubber vs leather debate and after pages of back and forth amongst some very knowledgable shoe gurus, including fritzl, dwf12, & bengal_stripe, it was unclear which option was superior in adverse conditions. both rubber and leather each have their own pro's and con's in damp, wet, snowy conditions. dainite is water resistant so no fear of water damage to outsole however as dwf12 pointed out, it is leather and not dainite that has more traction is wet and also icy conditions. ive been able to confirm this and just the other day i slid on my dainite C&J coniston boots where my leather outsoled alden boots never had a problem.

    also fritzl swears by leather so im unsure where youre getting all that jazz from. try comparing both leather and rubber firsthand and i think youll realize how misinformed your statements are.

    btw, JB lives in Boston, MA area. i think he knows a thing or two about walking in snow
     
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    NAMOR Senior member

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    STC did an incredible job with this pair. from those pics alone, i would have never guessed they were on a ridgeway. this boot just keeps on giving
     
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    ezlau Senior member

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    I can attest to what Ejirardo said above. The initial crease is very apparent after the first wear, then it doesn't crease anymore. To me however, the initial crease is not that bad, but then again I take care of my shoes pretty well (polishing them once a week if I'm not busy).
     
  4. Louis XIV

    Louis XIV Senior member

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    I was not reffering to you and your boots as you made the right decision.
    Not your fault StC messed up your order, only I would not have accepted the pair the way it came out.
    Guess you were not willing to wait for months to get a properly made pair, still StC should compensate you for their fault.

    Regarding the nasty posts of mine you are reffering to, feel free to PM to me which ones you mean and we can have a discussion about them, I am open to any criticism.

    Would love to have a look at said discussion.
    We were talking about snow by the way, something a structured sole will always have more traction on than a plain (leather) sole.
    Regarding ice, please explain to me how a leather sole should have more traction on it than a rubber sole.
    Ice is just too tough for any regular sole to penetrate it, thus they should all be same as slippy.

    Btw, I spoke to fritzl over the phone, just like he has done to several other members he told me.
     
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  5. VRaivio

    VRaivio Senior member

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    Just out of interest, does someone have a link to that old rubber versus leather sole thread?

    If Saint Crispins made the MTO pair with wrong soles, I trust they at least gave a discount?
     
  6. Ilovelobbs

    Ilovelobbs Senior member

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    Did you get a discount?

    I'll be posting some of my SC collection once I am back in the country....

    Also - I can't seem to find a John Lobb (Paris) appreciation thread. Is there such a thread?
     
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    dddrees Senior member

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    There's a John Lobb appreciation thread.
     
  8. Ejirardo

    Ejirardo Senior member

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    Here are some pics of the pair on the classic last I have owned for approximately 6 months worn 2 to 3 times per month. The creasing has not gotten worse from the first few times these were worn. They are as comfortable as my Bontoni's and that's saying alot. Sorry for the bad lighting.

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    bespoken pa Senior member

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    I was going to say the creasing looks to be quite substantial. I loathe creasing inevitable, I know but still frustrating. Shoes at this level are art IMO, albeit wearable art.
     
  10. Mr. Moo

    Mr. Moo Boxercise Toughguy

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    I love my StCs. Yes, they did crease a bit when I fist wore them, but they haven't creased any worse since then... and they can sure take a beating. :embar:


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  11. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    Most likely some manufacturing process flaw. Many examples of heavy creasing. Wish POSH is still around to explain.
     
  12. Louis XIV

    Louis XIV Senior member

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    I guess it was just not of worth for Ms. Ehlers to post at SF as I don't expect many people from over here to travel to Berlin to have her make a bespoke pair for them.
    A shame, she shared some of the most informative insides on shoe making with us.
    Everyone capable of the German language should have a look at newsaboutshoes, plenty of posts over there to learn from.
     
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  13. add911_11

    add911_11 Senior member

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    Seriously, none of these shoes have bad creasing. My bespoke shoe creases just as much as my RTW shoes.
     
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    chogall Senior member

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    +1
    I had to rely on Google Translate but sometimes it just doesn't do a good job. And that forum is pretty dead.

    Its up to the individuals to decide if they have bad creasing or not.

    It is, however, up to the experts to decide if they indeed have more than normal creasing and the cause. Posh stated both the problem and the cause. Inquisitive minds can search to fulfill their intellectual curiosity while the aesthetics obsessed can remain stunned by Saint Crispin's beauties.

    p.s., I am not an artisan like Posh nor an expert like DWFII and Bengal S. Just trying to observe, learn, and make informed purchasing decisions.
     
  15. add911_11

    add911_11 Senior member

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    Fair play, in my opinion there is no prefection, only reasonableness. Especially with shoe purchase it should be fun and not strict like maths
     

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