there was a thread a while back where someone posted pics from a sears catalogue from the early 1900s. the drawings of men modeling suits showed them wearing square-toed black shoes, something many people on this board despise. i went to the l.a. county museum of art on friday, and saw a painting from 1834, "alexander masterton and his wife and children" by the scotsman william hamilton. the subject matter was a portrait of a nobleman or statesman with his wife, two daughters, and two boys. they are outiside in a park or the grounds of a large estate, next to a pond where the boys are fishing. they are all wearing square-toed black shoes. i just thought i'd mention this because i know there are some people who seek historical justification for their opinions on clothing and matters of style. here's a link to see shoes from that period: http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/m...500791&type=70 edited for accuracy.