Spread Collar + Four in Hand

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  1. HeyItsMeSF

    HeyItsMeSF New Member

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    Hi all, I think this looks awesome. However it appears to be a spread collar with a Four in Hand knot, which I think some people frown upon.

    Thoughts?

    (Both are from the Hugo Boss Website)
     
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  2. minervau

    minervau Senior member

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    They look fine but those seem to be relatively bulky ties making decently sized four-in-hand knots. I'd still go half-windsor with a spread collar with an ordinary tie.
     
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    HeyItsMeSF New Member

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    Thanks, I am a die hard Four in Hand guy, its just what I have always used and like the slight face slimming effects. However I was unsure now that I am starting to experiment with wide spread collars. From what I have read the windsors and Pratt are the way to go with spread collars, all I wanted to know if it was OK to stick with the FIH.
     
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    RogerP Senior member

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    The greater the collar spread, the worse a FIH knot looks, IMO. But this view runs contrary to the forum climate - just so ya know.
     
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    landshark Senior member

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    If the collar is so spread that you see the narrow part of the tie outside the knot, it is wrong.
     
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    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Neither of the pictures seem egregious (but nor or those collars very spread.

    A spread collar with a 4IH can be sprezz when done right. But the choice needs to be clearly intentional.
     
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    HeyItsMeSF New Member

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    ^^^ +1 [​IMG]
     
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    VinnyMac Senior member

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    If you like it, then it's ok. You're the one who has to wear it.
     
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    I've worn spread collars for at least 30 years .I always wear a four in hand knot.
    Windsor knots remind me of the Nazi sympahtizer, the Duke of Windsor.
    The trick is to wear a wider tie or a tie of thicker material, both of which will provide
    the necessary knot for a spread collar. BTW, I think the first picture, which shows
    a thin tie with a wide spread collar would really benefit from a wider tie.
     
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    BaronFizzwell Well-Known Member

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    Just to resurrect this thread, I've been told off for not tying a full windsor with a spread collar (like on the RLPL Keaton shirt, for example), but eh, if it's good enough for the stylist for the Purple Label shoot ...
     
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    WorldWideWafflz Senior member

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    There's plenty of precedent wearing a FIH with a spread. And anyone who gives you shit is fussing over all the wrong details.
     
  12. Academic2

    Academic2 Senior member

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    There are more variables in the equation than just collar type and knot type. As has already been indicated, tie weight and geometry are important. More particularly, neck width and height, as well as collar height, all contribute to the overall effect too.

    Judge the ensemble, not the parts individually.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
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    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Can we all agree that a full windsor is a terrible idea regardless of how spread the collar is?
     
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    Academic2 Senior member

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    That’s a very interesting question. I can’t imagine a context in which I’d wear one myself given my existing wardrobe (I use FIH 99% of the time, an occasional half Windsor or Pratt the remaining 1%, and I wear collars of all types), but I don’t want to rule out the possibility that someone else might be able to pull it off given the right mix of variables. Such things can happen.

    Cheers,

    Ac
     
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    The FiH/Windsor polemics is to the StyleForum what the Big-Endian/Little-Endian controversy was to Lilliput.
     

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